Empire 8

[bomber3]

Hey the UR job is open.  You guys should both take a run at that....

I didn't know Neer retired.  Not much mention of it on the boards (east region at least).  Was he the longest tenured coach in the region (34 years)?  How long has McVean been at RIT?  In the E8 I can only think of McVean being at RIT longer but I honestly have no idea. Mullins has been at IC for about 10 years and that might be the second longest (Kornaker? Hurley @ Stevens?).

Neer got the job when Boehim took the SU job.  JB was offered both and was given a deadline by SU to accept the job.  Which he obviously did.

Wow great information.  What were both schools like back then -- ie were they somewhat comparable jobs? Was there any question which position was the better job and did Boeheim consider UR is what I'm getting at.  I'm not sure how good a program UR had back then but I know SU wasn't the powerhouse they are today. 

[Ethelred the Unready]

Hey the UR job is open.  You guys should both take a run at that....

I didn't know Neer retired.  Not much mention of it on the boards (east region at least).  Was he the longest tenured coach in the region (34 years)?  How long has McVean been at RIT?  In the E8 I can only think of McVean being at RIT longer but I honestly have no idea. Mullins has been at IC for about 10 years and that might be the second longest (Kornaker? Hurley @ Stevens?).

Neer got the job when Boehim took the SU job.  JB was offered both and was given a deadline by SU to accept the job.  Which he obviously did.

Wow great information.  What were both schools like back then -- ie were they somewhat comparable jobs? Was there any question which position was the better job and did Boeheim consider UR is what I'm getting at.  I'm not sure how good a program UR had back then but I know SU wasn't the powerhouse they are today. 

I just happen to have a program here in my office and it shows that prior to Neer, UR was coming off back to back losing seasons and had qualified for 4 NCAA College Division tournaments under Lyle Brown in the 60's.  Not a powerhouse but a stable program that offered a nice career for the right person.  My understanding is that JB was offered both jobs and couldn't decide until SU pressured him.  Which given it was his alma mater was understandable

[Ethelred the Unready]

UR doesn't have much experience selecting head basketball coaches.  They have had 3 since 1931.  Louis Alexander (26 years), Lyle Brown (19) and now Neer at 34.  Since the Palestra is named after Alexander I wonder what, if anything, Neer's name will be attached to

[FROMAFAR]

Yes Boeheim was an assitant to Danforth who left for Tulane... early 70's...I think Boeheim graduated in '65 or '66 from 'cuse.......The guys who catapulted "cuse were Louie Orr and a big guy named Bowie... couple of guards named Mary Headd and Cohen...   They were actually called the Cone-Head backcourt, and both guys shaved their heads... Fans would wear bald wigs OR actually shave their heads as well...........Boy am I aging myself........... 

[Ethelred the Unready]

Yes Boeheim was an assitant to Danforth who left for Tulane... early 70's...I think Boeheim graduated in '65 or '66 from 'cuse.......The guys who catapulted "cuse were Louie Orr and a big guy named Bowie... couple of guards named Mary Headd and Cohen...   They were actually called the Cone-Head backcourt, and both guys shaved their heads... Fans would wear bald wigs OR actually shave their heads as well...........Boy am I aging myself........... 

I played in a "Gus Macker" tournament a couple of years ago and on the next court was Rosevelt Bowie.  And ya know what?  He's STILL huge.  Louie and Bowie beating the Bernie and Ernie team from Tenn.  Back in the day when a good nickname meant something. 

[FROMAFAR]

YEP Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld........ Did Shays play with Bowie, or right after him... Dolph Shays kid..........

[FROMAFAR]

How about MULL-BERRY FEVER or MULL-BERRY Hill, from St. John's .... Chris Mullen and Walter Berry........  

[Ethelred the Unready]

YEP Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld........ Did Shays play with Bowie, or right after him... Dolph Shays kid..........

Bouie graduated in 80 and Schayes in 81.  On cold winter nights you can still hear his whine echo in the Dome

[Ethelred the Unready]

How about MULL-BERRY FEVER or MULL-BERRY Hill, from St. John's .... Chris Mullen and Walter Berry........  

Still two of the best college players I ever watched.  Berry in particular was so smooth it looked like he wasn't really trying.  And yet he was almost unstopable

[FROMAFAR]

I can't agree more........Berry was like silk....... What most don't remember about Mullin is...while he was a great  shooter, he never missed when using the glass. I'm not talking about layups, I mean those inside the paint shots that most miss when trying to finger roll.......he would bank everything inside and never miss.......Believe it or not the starting POINT GUARD for that '85 team was not Mark Jackson... it was a guy named Mike Moses...never turned the ball over, had a decent enough shot to keep the defense honest. Rounding out that team was Willie Glass and Bill Wennington as starters. I can't even remember what I had for lunch..........

[Ethelred the Unready]

I can't agree more........Berry was like silk....... What most don't remember about Mullin is...while he was a great  shooter, he never missed when using the glass. I'm not talking about layups, I mean those inside the paint shots that most miss when trying to finger roll.......he would bank everything inside and never miss.......Believe it or not the starting POINT GUARD for that '85 team was not Mark Jackson... it was a guy named Mike Moses...never turned the ball over, had a decent enough shot to keep the defense honest. Rounding out that team was Willie Glass and Bill Wennington as starters. I can't even remember what I had for lunch..........

I told this story somewhere before, but a UR player had an internship out in LA 2-3 summers ago and was playing in a summer league that Mark Jackson also played in.  The two of them got talking and the UR kid mentioned that Jeff VanGundy played at Nazareth.  Jackson reportedly said "So that's what VanGundy is always talking about.  Nobody ever has any idea what the f**k he's talking about when he goes on about the "Naz".  

And I always thought Glass was going to be a superstar.  But what do.....nevermind

[bomber3]

YEP Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld........ Did Shays play with Bowie, or right after him... Dolph Shays kid..........

Bouie graduated in 80 and Schayes in 81.  On cold winter nights you can still hear his whine echo in the Dome

Wow you guys are old

How about RIT in the D1 frozen four?! Impressive feat for an E8 member -- FROMAFAR will you be watching?

[magicman]

Yes Boeheim was an assitant to Danforth who left for Tulane... early 70's...I think Boeheim graduated in '65 or '66 from 'cuse.......The guys who catapulted "cuse were Louie Orr and a big guy named Bowie... couple of guards named Mary Headd and Cohen...   They were actually called the Cone-Head backcourt, and both guys shaved their heads... Fans would wear bald wigs OR actually shave their heads as well...........Boy am I aging myself........... 

FROMAFAR,
The backcourt guys were Marty Headd who went to Christian Brothers Academy in Syracuse and Hal Cohen who graduated from Canton High School in Canton, N.Y. Cohen received national attention from Sports Illustrated's Faces In the Crowd when at practice in high school one day he made 598 (no that's not a typo) consecutive free throws. He averaged 30 ppg in high school and had 56 in 1 game and didn't play the 4th quarter. He used to make the trip up here to Plattsburgh after he graduated from Syracuse and play in our annual PBA Tournament. One of the nicest guys around. His dad Stan was the head coach at SUNY Canton for quite a while and for the past 25 years or so has been the assistant coach at Potsdam St.

Here's an interesting article on Marty Headd:

http://www.dailyorange.com/2.8655/no-complaints-marty-headd-was-a-basketball-star-at-syracuse-nearly-30-years-ago-now-he-works-here-as-a-janitor-1.1227162

Here's an article on Hal Cohen:

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20090112/SPORTS01/301119913/0/SPORTS

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber 3 I told you I was old.......I can't speak for the other guys they are probably just smart..not old.... YES I watched the Frozen 4 last night.... Great being there but we got killed...........I guess..Turned it off in second period........ too many penalties.

Magic, good stuff......... thanks for the articles........

[bomber3]

Bomber 3 I told you I was old.......I can't speak for the other guys they are probably just smart..not old.... YES I watched the Frozen 4 last night.... Great being there but we got killed...........I guess..Turned it off in second period........ too many penalties.

Magic, good stuff......... thanks for the articles........

I should have said mature....not old! And yes RIT got whooped but it was funny/cool hearing "rochester institute of technology" on sportcenter this morning. Too bad they couldn't put up a better fight.