Empire 8

[FROMAFAR]

BOMBER 798XXX, that was the best line on this post in a long time, I broke out laughing so hard.... and engineers don't laugh often,   assist for foul shots... That's great... You are also correct about Carson and foul shots, BUT post players ( CARSON) should get to the line.  If they don't they are playing weak.  Barera is a bit of a freak though..... He has a great sense of when to shoot and he certainly isn't weak........my question is and I haven't seen him in awhile, so you tell me, does look for contact or try to avoid when going inside. I remember Stevens had a pretty good shooter Passalaqua... but as I recall never got to the line.... was it he didn't drive OR avoided contact when insde. Some players do that.   I coached kids from the 4th grade through 9th. When taking layups, some actaully try avoid a foul or BLOCKED shot, which is hard to correct in some kids.... The good ones learn how to get bumped and still get off a shot, and get to the line..... Some never learn. I agree the E-8 is getting underway, I look for some crazy things happening this year. Bomber keep up the quick wit, we all could use a laugh........  

[FROMAFAR]

Hey Cyclone sorry I referenced Franklin as a wild card, when I meant Jones.....

[Bombers798891]

BOMBER 798XXX, that was the best line on this post in a long time, I broke out laughing so hard.... and engineers don't laugh often,   assist for foul shots... That's great... You are also correct about Carson and foul shots, BUT post players ( CARSON) should get to the line.  If they don't they are playing weak.  Barera is a bit of a freak though..... He has a great sense of when to shoot and he certainly isn't weak........my question is and I haven't seen him in awhile, so you tell me, does look for contact or try to avoid when going inside. I remember Stevens had a pretty good shooter Passalaqua... but as I recall never got to the line.... was it he didn't drive OR avoided contact when insde. Some players do that.   I coached kids from the 4th grade through 9th. When taking layups, some actaully try avoid a foul or BLOCKED shot, which is hard to correct in some kids.... The good ones learn how to get bumped and still get off a shot, and get to the line..... Some never learn. I agree the E-8 is getting underway, I look for some crazy things happening this year. Bomber keep up the quick wit, we all could use a laugh........  

I'm not totally sure Barera avoids contact. I would suspect he doesn't invite it though. But, if you're 65% from the floor and 75% from the line, you're more likely to hit the FG than both free throws, right? So is the "and one" frequency really worth it?

[FROMAFAR]

No it's not, but that's not my point... I am going under the assumption that 65% will continue, the 75% from the line will come with additional shots.   If that makes sense   Look, he is obviously doing the right thing.... I am just wondering if he has other opportunities to take shots. This player Passalaqua form Stevens, had a good shooting % from 3's, and I think he was a good foul shooter (CYCLONE ) but rarely got to the line. If the 3 wasn't there he would just get rid of the ball.  Maybe Barera does something similar.... I am not talking about just being a stand around shooter like Passalaqua, I realize he works for open shots, but maybe he is just not selfish and forcing shots ( that could drawer a foul) as  well......   There are other offensive weapons on his team, so maybe I'm over analyzing.............

[Bombers798891]

No it's not, but that's not my point... I am going under the assumption that 65% will continue, the 75% from the line will come with additional shots.   If that makes sense   Look, he is obviously doing the right thing.... I am just wondering if he has other opportunities to take shots. This player Passalaqua form Stevens, had a good shooting % from 3's, and I think he was a good foul shooter (CYCLONE ) but rarely got to the line. If the 3 wasn't there he would just get rid of the ball.  Maybe Barera does something similar.... I am not talking about just being a stand around shooter like Passalaqua, I realize he works for open shots, but maybe he is just not selfish and forcing shots ( that could drawer a foul) as  well......   There are other offensive weapons on his team, so maybe I'm over analyzing.............

No it does make sense. I think there are some big guys who do try to draw fouls and have no real intention of trying to make a shot. While I understand it's part of the game, it's not one I especially like. I'm sure Carson got hacked a lot because he was such an awful FT shooter (65% his senior hear, but under 50% the others) but sometimes you look at guys who take so many FT's and you just wonder. Barera's kind of at the other end right now

[E8GUY]

Bombers only take 18 3-pointers, and a mere 6 in the 2nd half; nice change of pace.

The Great Sean Rossi Conspiracy continues to pick up steam. We've now cajoled Elmira into giving him 11. To quote Montgomery Burns: "It's all falling into place."

So both teams picked up technicals, and there were 40 personal fouls tonight. Anyone at the game want to comment on that? Was it chippy?

I didn't think so.   There was one slight pushing incident with about five minutes left that created one technical and one intentional foul call on Elmira that was executed so dumb as to be intentional but not dirty or dangerous.

Elmira got down 20 early and pressed the rest of the game and then fouled a lot when beat.  They also fouled about five or six times in the last two minutes to stop the clock.

But no real nonsense with the two teams.

[Cyclone0205]

No it's not, but that's not my point... I am going under the assumption that 65% will continue, the 75% from the line will come with additional shots.   If that makes sense   Look, he is obviously doing the right thing.... I am just wondering if he has other opportunities to take shots. This player Passalaqua form Stevens, had a good shooting % from 3's, and I think he was a good foul shooter (CYCLONE ) but rarely got to the line. If the 3 wasn't there he would just get rid of the ball.  Maybe Barera does something similar.... I am not talking about just being a stand around shooter like Passalaqua, I realize he works for open shots, but maybe he is just not selfish and forcing shots ( that could drawer a foul) as  well......   There are other offensive weapons on his team, so maybe I'm over analyzing.............

Passalacqua had the dribbling ability of a Eric Montross.  He didn't get to the line because if he didn't catch and shoot there was a 95% chance he was going to trip over his feet.  However, when it came to shooting, he was deadly off of the drive and kick game that stevens used with their 4 guard set under Loeffler.

[bomber3]

Barera is a combination of both your arguments.  He definitely doesn't invite the contact but he definitely isn't soft either.  Teams aren't going to foul him on purpose because he is a quality FT shooter.  Carson was shaq-esque from the line and teams fouled him whenever he was near the basket.  If there was any potential for him to score underneath the game plan was to hack him.  Saying he had ugly form at the line would be a compliment. 

A lot of Barera's points are quick put backs or shots going away from the defense, neither of which draw a lot of fouls. 

[AUPepBand]

My goodness, is it basketball season already?

On Saxon Warriors!

[FROMAFAR]

That's right, I used to call Passalaqua a horse player.. stand around and shoot. I think the Utica Stevens game will tell us something about both teams this week... At Utica, they seem to be improved and certainly the winner of this game gets a step up on the other for being in the mix.... Although Stevens winning would be more telling since it is at Utica home.... As I recall Stevens was pretty tough on the road last year.... probably the senior factor.... Higgans, Greco and Masone were certainly not easily intimidated.....Oh well we'll see.
If RIT doesn't spank Elmira tomorrow.... It's official..........we're cooked.... and I want to see Korinchak step up..........Some home cooking assists, and play some defense without fouling out..........

[Bombers798891]

Guesses on the number of assists Rossi "earns" tonight? Remember, it's a home game. I'm thinking 27. At least.

[FROMAFAR]

Seriously, it all depends on the # of 3's they hit.....  This is going to be a very tell tale game. IC at home, should win..... NAZ is hot and playing good D.... If anyone seeing this game, give some good detail tomorrow....Please......... Rossi home, team hitting 3's........... 9 assists.............. Not hitting 3's......... 3 assists  that would be realsitic............. However we will probably see about 13 assists with the 3, 9 without..........

[bomber3]

Big early game tonight between Naz/IC.  The two best teams in the E8 so far this year.  Could confirm Naz is for real if they win tonight.  Hopefully IC can pull out a big conference win and prove they're a top team in the East.  5-3 is not ideal...6-2 with wins over Hobart and (potentially) Naz would be a solid first semester resume.

[magicman]

Ithaca wins tonight's matchup against visiting Nazareth 94-84.

Both teams place 5 players in double figures in this shootout. Bombers were led by Jordan Marcus with 22 points, Phil Barera with 18 pts and 9 boards, Andrei Oztemal with 16 pts and 7 rebounds, Chris Cruz-Rivas with 12 pts and 8 rebounds and Sean Rossi with 10 pts and 12 assists.

Nazareth's Tyshun Stephens tied Marcus for scoring honors with 22 pts of his own while grabbing 8 rebounds. Dan Waldbillig had 15 pts and 9 rebounds, Jason Corletta had 13 pts, Brad Ford added 12 pts and Phil Scaffidi chipped in with 11.

Both teams took 24 3 point shots with Nazareth canning 11 to the Bombers 8.
Ithaca was 24x30 from the free throw line and the Bombers were huge down the stretch hitting 15x16 in the last 1:47. The Golden Flyers hit 17x19 attempts. Ithaca won the turnover battle, only giving up the ball 6 times while Naz had an even dozen.

[FROMAFAR]

Sounds like a good game to watch.....  IC should win when it's a shoot out... I am also impressed at the number of points scored by IC against what I thought was a solid defensive team... although IC hit 24 free throws,   15 in the last couple of minutes.......... looks like both teams can shoot and have a lot of battle in them... So 7 teams vying for the other two spots............Tonights Utica stevens game should be telling.. IF either wants to be in the MIX they have to show something here.....Cyclone.... give me the details PLEASE