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fisheralum91 · December 13, 2010, 01:25:03 PM

Cards- I noticed that Ryan Kramer wasnt in the box score from the AU game.
Is he still on the team?

sjfcards · December 13, 2010, 03:01:57 PM

As far as I know Kramer is still on the team, but he has not seen much time. That has been Fisher's M.O. In the past for football players that also play basketball (Tim Vink, Fwhernebach, etc.) Not sure if it is the grind of the football season or what but players that also play other sports (B. Beigle, Henderson) have seen significant time.

I am a little surprised that Kramer has not seen more time with Fisher's rotation of young players, but I am sure he is in the mix. He's just to good not to be.

Cyclone0205 · December 14, 2010, 09:46:36 AM

Quote from: FROMAFAR on December 13, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
Bomber 798xxx your right.. Basically RIT's only shot at the E-8 tourney is 3rd or 4th place.... for that to happen.......everyone other than IC and Nazareth have to be as bad... Which they could be..... won't know how good the others are until they start playing each other. I know Cyclone-- Stevens won on the road at a SEEMINGLY improved UC team...But they both have to be able to beat Fisher and RIT......which IF THEY ARE GOOD they should and will.. If they don't then 5 are fighting for 2 positions..... Sorry Elmira and Alfred not yet......

Didn't talk about it much, had to head down to North Carolina for a couple days, but I really wasn't impressed with the Stevens win over Utica. Maybe I'm just a very harsh critic, but I don't think Utica is a very good team. I think there is some talent but overall I didn't come away thinking "oh Stevens beat them, they have to be good."

To be fair though, I've seen 6 Top 25 teams (Amherst, Ramapo, MIT, Franklin & Marshall, Williams, Brandeis) and I would say Williams is the only "good" team I've seen. I know the others teams are probably good teams relative to how early it is in the year. It's just that early in the season I see too many early season mistakes (coaching errors, team chemistry errors, etc) in a lot of teams to consider them good just yet. They'll all be there by the end of the year though I'd imagine.

magicman · December 14, 2010, 09:45:14 PM

Utica travels to Union and comes up short as the Dutchmen win 89-80. The Pioneers fall to 6-3 overall and are off until they host St. John Fisher on January 7th at 8 PM.

FROMAFAR · December 15, 2010, 12:55:55 PM

Thanks Cyclone, yea your right we don't know how good these teams really are and we not not know for awhile. The way it's looking.... the only teams that look like they could dominate THIS LEAGUE, are IC and NAZ.... although they played one another and who knows what the results of playing the rest could be. Awhile ago I mentioned it's all about match-ups.... Stevens has had UC's number since being in this league. I think they have only lost once. They also have played NAZ and Fisher pretty tough...IC has had Stevens number and so on...hey maybe IC goes something like 13-3, Naz 12-4 or 11-5..... the rest is a crap shoot...... I can actually see RIT going 9-7 or 7-9....... Hartwick is a strange team.... they could go 10-6 OR 5-11... I really don't know.......... but then again waht do I know

sjfcards · December 18, 2010, 04:02:07 PM

Fisher was able to come back from down 2 at halftime today and win going away to win 67-54. I didn't see the game or follow it online so I don't know much more than the score, but the win is another step in the right direction at least. Since Norsen has come back they are 2-0, and they can be back to 500 before their next conference game. Good win against a UAA school ( I know Carnegie Mellon is not a power, but any win against the UAA is a good in IMHO).

magicman · December 21, 2010, 10:41:54 PM

On December 14th Ithaca's Phil Barera was named as the center on the D3hoops Team of the Week. Barera was honored for his 51 points scored and 14 rebounds in helping the Bombers go 3-0 for the week.

Matt Pebole of Hobart was chosen as a forward on the D3hoops Team of the Week for the same time period.

A well deserved and early Christmas present for both of these fine players.

sjfcards · December 22, 2010, 01:31:34 PM

So does anyone know anything about Farmingdale State? I have never heard much about their basketball program, and I am looking for a scouting report of what to expect when Fisher takes them on.

I think this holiday tournament is huge for Fisher. There is no way around it, they had an awful start to the season. But, if they can get to 5 and 5 before really jumping into their conference schedule maybe they can start fresh in the second half of the season.

I still think this Fisher team has a lot of talent, and if the young guys can step up I think they can get into the top 4 of the league. Maybe I am just pulling for that, but Fisher usually plays well in conference.

Ethelred the Unready · December 22, 2010, 03:24:23 PM

Quote from: sjfcards on December 22, 2010, 01:31:34 PM
So does anyone know anything about Farmingdale State? I have never heard much about their basketball program, and I am looking for a scouting report of what to expect when Fisher takes them on.

I think this holiday tournament is huge for Fisher. There is no way around it, they had an awful start to the season. But, if they can get to 5 and 5 before really jumping into their conference schedule maybe they can start fresh in the second half of the season.

I still think this Fisher team has a lot of talent, and if the young guys can step up I think they can get into the top 4 of the league. Maybe I am just pulling for that, but Fisher usually plays well in conference.

I remember their team a few years ago, in the NCAA's at UofR, was athletic and wasnt afraind to shoot the 3. They were a tournament team for a couple years straight if I remember. That being said, this team bears little resemblance. They score in the upper 70's and give up almost as much. They have 4 guys in double figures and have 30+ more turnovers than assists so I would guess they are somewhat young and undisiplined at this stage.

FROMAFAR · December 22, 2010, 05:31:07 PM

My recollection of Farmingdale state, is they are made up of street ballers, usually from their local area ( Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn) that have athleticism, but not enough basketball skills or court IQ to play at the next level.....however in the Skyline they compete and usually are in the conference tourney......They may be more athletic than Fisher... not sure, but should lose to the CARDS.

Just want to wish all the guys on the boards a MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR....... enjoy your family and friends, stay healthy and have fun.

Cyclone0205 · December 23, 2010, 10:03:40 AM

Not to be too crude, but this game the Fisher/Farmingdale game will come to what type of kids Fisher has. If they are the type of kids who are afraid to walk through Brooklyn by themselves at midnight, they'll lose the game by 10. Farmingdale is going to be significantly more athletic than Fisher, and a lot more willing to throw an elbow or talk trash. I know two ex-Farmingdale players very well and their motto for playing non-city, non-NJAC teams was simple: We are going pull your punk card from the time we hit the gym. If you back down and start complaining to the refs about being fouled or held, you won't survive a game with them.

That being said, this Farmingdale team tries to play that style, but doesn't have the kids to do it. I would be surprised if they beat Fisher to be honest.

sjfcards · December 24, 2010, 05:14:59 PM

Thanks for all of the info boys.

Here is hoping that everyone on the Imper 8 boards has a great holidays. Enjoy the time with family and friends.

sjfcards · December 28, 2010, 09:55:38 PM

PC, I saw on the front page that the D3Hoops classic is in Vegas. Any reason for the choice of location? Don't get me wrong, I would take the chance to go to Vegas as well, but I am wondering if there is a more logical reason.

magicman · December 29, 2010, 09:03:08 PM

St John Fisher shoots 57% from the field in the 1st half (17x30, 3x4 3's) and is a perfect 12x12 from the foul line as they open up a huge 49-26 lead over Farmingdale State at the break. The Rams are held to 23% from the field (7x31) and are getting beat in every phase of the game.

sjfcards · December 29, 2010, 09:43:04 PM

Fisher finally looked like the team I expected them to be this year, as they pounded a decent Farmingdale team 90-51. Fisher looked great tonight, and finally got some production out of Koch and some others off the bench. If Koch can start to pick it up, and they can get enough out of Norsen inside, they may have something to say about the E8 tournament yet. I don't want to get ahead of myself after just one game, but that was a good looking performance out of the gate to start the second half of the season.

Another note, Fisher is now 4-5, but since Norsen came back they are 3-0. He seems to be the guy that makes them tick.