Empire 8

[magicman]

And if you want to see something strange check out the box score of the Hartwick-Fisher game. Be sure and scroll down and check out the overtime period that ensued after the 68-64 score at the end of regulation. Also check out the mix of players that were in the game during the "overtime" period.

I was looking at the statistics right below the box score that show the points in the paint, second chance points, fast break points and so on. I saw the largest lead for Fisher was 17 points at 3:14 of the 1st period and that was correct. I then saw that Hartwick's largest lead was 5 points at 4:48 of overtime. I was surprised because I didn't think the game went into overtime. Went to the play by play, end of the 2nd period which shows a 68-64 score and I'm wondering how they got to overtime. Sure enough there's an overtime period and a made foul shot 12 seconds into OT makes the score 69-64. Figure that one out. It's amazing how a box score from a men's game that ended in regulation, gets an overtime period that occured in the women's game added to it and then the players in overtime are a combination of the men's team and the women's team. Funny though, the score at the end of the bogus overtime was listed at 83-74. The actual score of the women's game that ended in overtime was 85-72. You'd of thought they could have at least got that right.


Never Mind!!
The box score has now been corrected. None of the above mistakes are now showing.

[magicman]

Stevens with a 64-48 win over host St. John Fisher. Ducks were up by 5 at the half, quickly go up by 10 after the break and maintain a comfortable margin throughout the 2nd half. The win puts Stevens in 3rd place by a half game over the Cardinals but more importantly the Ducks hold the tiebreaker over Fisher by virtue of their season sweep.

[AUPepBand]

Just back from McLane Center where Alfred upsets Hartwick, 70-68.
Utica a 94-89 winner at Ithaca....things getting interesting.

[AUPepBand]

I think the E8 is just really tightly bunched in the middle this year. With the exception of Utica (with one game standing in the way) Elmira and Alfred, anyone seems capable of beating anyone.

Utica beats Ithaca....
Alfred beats Hartwick....

Elmira's turn....

[Bombers798891]

Bombers give one away to Utica, 94-89. Bombers shoot just 13-of-22 from the line. Jordan Marcus hits six three points in a four minute stretch in one of the best shooting performances I've seen, but the Bombers were just sloppy.

I'm sure the company line is that it's hard to beat a team that goes 8-of-15 from three, but Ithaca seems to be the only team that has any kind of trouble keeping Utica to a reasonable point total. Thankfully, Ithaca won't have to worry about them come conference tournament time.

Stunner that the Wick lost to Alfred of all teams. Fisher's loss, while not stunning, makes things interesting. RIT can take sole possession of 4th place with a win over them at home.

Really, anyone in the 1-5 spot is capable of missing the tournament right now.

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber$%&.all that matters, DID THEY GET THE ASSISTS CORRECT IN THE HARTWICK FISHER GAME ......right now Stevens seems to be the team to beat, along with IC. ----Hartwick looks like they fell in to the proverbial trap after a big come back against Fisher .........That loss will hurt them when the final records are in....IC is either tired OR completely disinterested in playing D. Stevens defense and board work is outstanding... sprinkle in the surgence of Sheldon Jones, and Smith scoring big time..all of their conference games at home...........they could actually host the tourney this year. RIT, my boys, are being given a reprieve with some of these loses, now they just have to take advantage. They should be well rested and no excuses. Looks like IC-Stevens have an advantage, AS LONG AS IC STAYS AWAY FROM UC..... Fisher Hartwick RIT battle for the 3-4 spot........Stevens has Hartwick IC and RIT NAZ and Elmira I believe left at home... Ducks not exactly dominant at home.  Be careful of NAZ, ruining someones night before the season is over................
It looks to me this years conference is down overall talent wise. IC looks good because of their many options on offense, but have to play both ends. That brings them back to the pack.....Stevens has remained the same over 4 of the last 5 years... Tough hard nosed ready to play every night. Throw out '08-'09 team.. They were pretty bad..  Hartwick is deeper than usual but needs to learn how to be consistant.  Fisher is in bad shape... No offense.  RIT has to overcome the lack of floor general, and play 40 minutes. But

[Bombers798891]

IC is either tired OR completely disinterested in playing D.

They just don't have particularly good defensive players. Christian Jordan is solid, but he picks up the fouls quickly.

It's a team that's going to play 95-88 type games most nights. They won't win with their defense and if the shots aren't falling, well, there you have it. I don't think it's a recipe for success in the postseason because there's no margin for error. Even when they shoot the lights out, other teams are still right there.

This last game is a great example. The first 9:30, Ithaca hits everything under the sun, and yet, it's only 31-23. And then the game settles down, and it's not like there's a massive deficit to climb out of.

[FROMAFAR]

Bomber798.... That sounds about right..... The opposite would be true with a team that plays good D.... They can have an off night offensively and still win. I really think this is one of the most down years the E-8 has had, at least in the last 5 years.  There were some big name players the last few years.... Not as many now, that can match up against some of those dominant players.  OH there are few good ones, but not as many. BUT I think the conference will came back soon........

[FROMAFAR]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

[Ethelred the Unready]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Not that 2 votes mean all that much, but I agree.  I'd like to know the rationale for someone giving a 12-9 team a vote as one of the top 25 teams in the country

[Old Duck]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Not that 2 votes mean all that much, but I agree.  I'd like to know the rationale for someone giving a 12-9 team a vote as one of the top 25 teams in the country

I go for the ref vote theory.

[Bombers798891]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Not that 2 votes mean all that much, but I agree.  I'd like to know the rationale for someone giving a 12-9 team a vote as one of the top 25 teams in the country

I go for the ref vote theory.

And to not have Ithaca ranked ahead of them despite a 15-5 record, and the H2H win

[Pat Coleman]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Not that 2 votes mean all that much, but I agree.  I'd like to know the rationale for someone giving a 12-9 team a vote as one of the top 25 teams in the country

Could be someone meant to vote for St. Norbert and clicked the wrong button in the drop-down menu. I'll investigate and correct if need be.

[magicman]

I know I am missing something.... How does Fisher receive any votes in top 25??? OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES--Am I reading this wrong, OR did the area ref's vote   I know I am either wrong as usual, or that's a mis-print... Makes no sense...BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

Not that 2 votes mean all that much, but I agree.  I'd like to know the rationale for someone giving a 12-9 team a vote as one of the top 25 teams in the country

Could be someone meant to vote for St. Norbert and clicked the wrong button in the drop-down menu. I'll investigate and correct if need be.

That would certainly make more sense. I'll bet that's the answer.

[FROMAFAR]

Looks like it's been corrected.. Sorry Cards fans........ I wonder if I would have been so quick to point that out if RIT got the vote...........

hey OLD DUCK... I know why a Stevens guy would agree.. But really just at Fisher........... not too bad at RIT or Naz......... I think the small gym and the Fisher students intimidate some of the refs...  Now I am not really knocking the refs.... They are right more than I am, and someone has to do that thankless job...for the most part they do a great job........I always wondered, whenever a player or coach perceives a bad call they have a comment (most of the time for the ref...) What would it be like if the ref had a comment every time a player or a coach made a bad play.....Complete chaos.  I coach youth basketball and everyone is taught at an early age that when a call is made move on. No looks, no comments no antics. IF I PERCEIVE any of that, they can sit next to me for awhile... Believe  it or not it works...........  By the way OLD DUCK... Big game this weekend. Against my boys.... Tigers. You should handle NAZ.... Actually you should handle RIT. Up in the North land we had you guys big and a furious late comeback where you actually took the lead and then lost on a late 3... It seemed you guys slept for 35 minutes, then we fell asleep.  I think the Tigers have to somhow keep Simon off the boards... no one has yet.    Not let Jones go off...  Those are the two keys. Cutri could have a big game, but he has not been real consistant lately. Thompson is afair opoint guard. He doesn't take many chances, which seems to be a Hurly philosophy... play it safe.  RIT we need Korinchak to stop fouling, Heisg has to have another big effort, and of course Terry has to continue playing the way he is...It should be an interesting game. I know last year we came in and did a number on you guys late in the year. We took Cutri and Greco out of the game with a Mickey Mouse D ... That cut down your scoring and the ability to get it to Smith...  If we can Stop Smith and Cutri with some of the same we can make it a game...

BIGGER GAME FOR TIGERS THAN DUCKS...