Empire 8

[gobombers15]

RTH, the only history I care about is recent history. I don't care how good 'Wick was 20 or 30 years ago. How good have the been in the last five years? Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.

And just because absolutely nobody in here respects the Hawks doesn't mean the teams are going to take Hartwick lightly. The coaches will make sure of that, so get off your soapbox, Rodney Dangerfield. Your team is still garbage.

[hawks1323]

Gobombers15 -

Recent History (5 Years)
Hartwick has won 29 out of 123 games (.236)

Remaining History (69 Years)
Hartwick has won 915 out of 1496 games (.612)

With the exception of the past five years, Hartwick has been a HIGHLY successful DII & DIII basketball team.

This is history, it can't be changed. Hartwick has won their fair share of playoff appearences.

What matters is Hartwick has had (with the exception of the past 5 years) a strong tradition of strong Basketball programs.

Enough with History talk!

What matters now is the 2005-2006 Basketball season:

Right now. Hartwick is 3-1 (.750) and Ithaca is 0-4 (.000)

It is early, but things are not looking good for bomber b-ball.

Speculation Mania

Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.

These are some bold speculative statements

Your speculation is no better then my speculation!

Lastly

Your team is still garbage.

Okay then! Your team (Ithaca) is currently horse #!^ *

Folks, Ciao for now

[dewcrew88]

Gobombers15 -

Recent History (5 Years)
Hartwick has won 29 out of 123 games (.236)

Remaining History (69 Years)
Hartwick has won 915 out of 1496 games (.612)

With the exception of the past five years, Hartwick has been a HIGHLY successful DII & DIII basketball team.

This is history, it can't be changed. Hartwick has won their fair share of playoff appearences.

What matters is Hartwick has had (with the exception of the past 5 years) a strong tradition of strong Basketball programs.

Enough with History talk!

What matters now is the 2005-2006 Basketball season:

Right now. Hartwick is 3-1 (.750) and Ithaca is 0-4 (.000)

It is early, but things are not looking good for bomber b-ball.

Speculation Mania

Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.

These are some bold speculative statements

Your speculation is no better then my speculation!

Lastly

Your team is still garbage.

Okay then! Your team (Ithaca) is currently horse #!^ *

Folks, Ciao for now

WAH!! holy crap, this guy's whining is driving me up a freakin' wall!
Shut the hell up about what Hartwick did 20 years ago. Big f-in deal!
RTH, it's all about the present. The here-and-now. Believe me, supporting a program that's only 5 years old (Utica football), you have to think in the now.

BTW, Utica basketball USED to be Division I, and actually played Syracuse a couple of times. Taste THAT, RTH!

[hawks1323]

RTH, it's all about the present. The here-and-now.

-budcrew08

Thanks budcrew08, thanks you for agreeing with me that we need to focus on the present. 

The present is:

Empire 8 Standings (Overall)

1. Hartwick and Utica (.750)
2. St John Fisher (.667)
3. Nazerath and RIT (.500)
4. Alfred and Elmira  (.400)
5. Ithaca                  (.000)

[tigerfan2]

Actually RIT is 2-1.

My math may be a little rusty, but I think that's better than .500
The one loss is to #10 WPI.
RIT hosts it's home tourney this weekend starting with York on 12/9.

[bamm]

And the Tigers home tourney should be interesting, with Oswego being invited.  They play Wilkes first, who lost their opener to Potsdam but has won four straight since.  Taking their loss to the Bears into consideration, it looks like a Lakers/Tigers final is the most likely scenario. 

[hawks1323]

Tigerfan2, you are absolutely correct. RIT is 2-1. I based my information off of d3hoops.com. which is obviously not up to date.

The UPDATED Empire 8 Standings (Overall)

1. Hartwick and Utica       (.750) 3-1
2. St John Fisher and RIT (.667) 2-1
3. Nazerath                      (.500) 2-2
4. Alfred and Elmira          (.400) 2-3
5. Ithaca                           (.000) 0-4

[gobombers15]

Actually, let me all give you the conference standings since those are the only ones that matter for every team not named St.John Fisher:

Fisher  0-0
RIT      0-0
Utica   0-0
Ithaca 0-0
Alfred  0-0
Naz     0-0
'Wick   0-0
Elmira  0-0

RTH, this is the only time your team will not have more losses than wins in the conference, so enjoy it. Since you enjoy facts so much, I'll give you a few.

Fact: Combined record of teams Hartwick has defeated: 3-9

Fact: Technically, it's 2-9 because Skidmore beat Paul Smith's College and I don't even think that's a D3 school. Who's their best player, Pocahontas?

Fact: Combined record of Ithaca's opponents: 13-5(didn't include Mansfield because they are D2)...and that's even including 2-3 Hobart.

Fact: Hartwick's road winning pct: .000...same as Ithaca's

Fact: Ithaca hasn't played a home game yet.

Fact: Ithaca doesn't schedule cupcakes like Lehman, Skidmore and Bard.

Fact: Ithaca will beat Hartwick twice this year and finish ahead of them in the conference standings.

Fact: RTH is a chump and is doing nothing but causing more people to hate Hartwick because they are a garbage team and have done nothing to warrant mentioning while any of us were in college.

TASTE IT

[hawks1323]

Actually, let me all give you the conference standings since those are the only ones that matter for every team not named St.John Fisher:

Fisher 0-0
RIT 0-0
Utica 0-0
Ithaca 0-0
Alfred 0-0
Naz 0-0
'Wick 0-0
Elmira 0-0

RTH, this is the only time your team will not have more losses than wins in the conference, so enjoy it. Since you enjoy facts so much, I'll give you a few. Speculation

Fact: Combined record of teams Hartwick has defeated: 3-9 Atleast Hartwick is in the win column

Fact: Technically, it's 2-9 because Skidmore beat Paul Smith's College and I don't even think that's a D3 school. Who's their best player, Pocahontas? I like the humor

Fact: Combined record of Ithaca's opponents: 13-5(didn't include Mansfield because they are D2)...and that's even including 2-3 Hobart. And who agreed to play teams like this?

Fact: Hartwick's road winning pct: .000...same as Ithaca's Well, that is about to change

Fact: Ithaca hasn't played a home game yet. I hope for your sake they win soon

Fact: Ithaca doesn't schedule cupcakes like Lehman, Skidmore and Bard. At least Paul Culpo scheduled managable games to start

Fact: Ithaca will beat Hartwick twice this year and finish ahead of them in the conference standings. Major Speculation Alert

Fact: RTH is a chump and is doing nothing but causing more people to hate Hartwick because they are a garbage team and have done nothing to warrant mentioning while any of us were in college. At least my team has won a game!

TASTE IT The only thing I taste is victory over Vassar, Bard, Oneonta State, and TBA this week

[gobombers15]

You won't beat O-State, first of all.

Secondly, isn't everything pretty much speculation at this point. I mean, the conference season hasn't even started. However, I'm using educated guesses about what will happen whereas you just come out and say "respect Hartwick or you're going to get beat." I'm pretty sure nobody really feared 'Wick last year and everyone did pretty well against them. And if I have to hear one more time about how you guys were within 10 or whatever against Fisher at home last year, I may throw-up in my mouth.

[dewcrew88]

You won't beat O-State, first of all.

Secondly, isn't everything pretty much speculation at this point. I mean, the conference season hasn't even started. However, I'm using educated guesses about what will happen whereas you just come out and say "respect Hartwick or you're going to get beat." I'm pretty sure nobody really feared 'Wick last year and everyone did pretty well against them. And if I have to hear one more time about how you guys were within 10 or whatever against Fisher at home last year, I may throw-up in my mouth.

Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.

[gobombers15]

Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.

Amen, budcrew. Unfortunately, then the excuses will come fast and furious. For instance, "Hartwick is much improved, folks! Folks, we were within 18 points of Utica with 5 minutes left. The lesson is obvious: Respect the Hawks or you will be sorry!!"

And, RTH, in regard to your comment about scheduling "manageable" games: Ithaca tries to get BETTER by playing BETTER teams. Last year they played several quality opponents early on and improved throughout the season, culminating in taking Fisher to the last minute on Fisher's home floor. And, please, don't tell me all those games were unwinnable. We lost to Roanoke(6-2) on their home floor and played neck-and-neck with them the whole way. Also, IC  lost to Hobart after the Bombers played an awful first half and just did not have enough to come back all the way in the 2nd. They lost those two games by four and six points, respectively. Those are the games they'd win at home. So don't tell me they're not "manageable." Bottom line, Ithaca lost both of those, not making any excuses. Did they have a shot against HS-C or Mansfield? Probably not. But IC will be more prepared for the Fisher/RIT/Utica's of the world than Hartwick will after beating up on schools like Massachusetts College of Future Dunkin Donuts Drive-Thru Managers.

[dewcrew88]

Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.

Amen, budcrew. Unfortunately, then the excuses will come fast and furious. For instance, "Hartwick is much improved, folks! Folks, we were within 18 points of Utica with 5 minutes left. The lesson is obvious: Respect the Hawks or you will be sorry!!"

And, RTH, in regard to your comment about scheduling "manageable" games: Ithaca tries to get BETTER by playing BETTER teams. Last year they played several quality opponents early on and improved throughout the season, culminating in taking Fisher to the last minute on Fisher's home floor. And, please, don't tell me all those games were unwinnable. We lost to Roanoke(6-2) on their home floor and played neck-and-neck with them the whole way. Also, IC  lost to Hobart after the Bombers played an awful first half and just did not have enough to come back all the way in the 2nd. They lost those two games by four and six points, respectively. Those are the games they'd win at home. So don't tell me they're not "manageable." Bottom line, Ithaca lost both of those, not making any excuses. Did they have a shot against HS-C or Mansfield? Probably not. But IC will be more prepared for the Fisher/RIT/Utica's of the world than Hartwick will after beating up on schools like Massachusetts College of Future Dunkin Donuts Drive-Thru Managers.

Here's the thing about IC's schedule, especially in the early season. IC probably plays Mansfield U because it's a fairly short trip. I don't know, gb15, can you back me up on this?

[ricco1]

What does everboby think about Fishers next two games and will they stand a chance against any team in the Randolph-Macon Tourament?

[gobombers15]

What does everboby think about Fishers next two games and will they stand a chance against any team in the Randolph-Macon Tourament?

First off, do they "stand a chance" against "any team" in the Randolph Macon tournament? Well, seeing as how they were ranked #7 in the pre-season poll, I think they "stand a chance" against pretty much every team they play. That said, I'm not sure if they win this tournament.

Nick Bennett does not become eligible until the 2nd semester begins as he is taking some grad courses in the Spring, but not in the Fall(has used only three years of eligibility because he was injured his freshman year). Bennett is by far Fisher's most valuable player(O'Brien is the best). He essentially shuts down the other team's top option, he rebounds very well and always seems to hit timely 3-pointers that stop another team's momentum or puts the nail in the proverbial coffin.

If Bennett were eligible, I'd venture to say the Cards would likely be the favorite in the tournament. Since he isn't, I say Fisher rolls Lake Erie College by about 20 points then gets nipped by Randolph Macon or Lincoln by less than 5 points.

Just one person's opinion.