Empire 8

[RITFAN]

Bombers798etc...

If you had read closely, you would have noticed that what I posted was that Carson was the nation's leading rebounder, not the "best" rebounder.  Of course, there are DI (and likely D2 players) who would have better stats if they were playing D3.

I think any knowlegable basketball person would be embarassed by your attempt to claim steals per game in women's basketball is comparable to rebounds per game in men's basketball.  Without even getting into the differences between the women's and men's game, and the inherent difference between steals and rebounds, just the fact that steals happen less frequently in a game gives that statistic an increased degree of randomness.  However, I congratulate the Ithaca woman who lead the nation.  She should be quite proud of that accomplishment. I suspect she would also say it is ludicrous to try to compare that stat to men's rebounds.  By the way, at the end of the season carson will most likely hold the all-time E8 records for total, offensive and defensive rebounds per season.  If the season ended today he would break each of these records by > 1 rpg. 

I'm sure if he were an Ithaca player you would also be comparing this accomplishment to women's steals, because you claim to loath "homers".

By the way, if the buzzer-beater at RIT was disallowed, the game would have went into OT.  Since you are not a "homer", I'm surprised you are just assuming Ithaca would have won.

Cheers!

[Bombers798891]

Bombers798etc...

If you had read closely, you would have noticed that what I posted was that Carson was the nation's leading rebounder, not the "best" rebounder.  Of course, there are DI (and likely D2 players) who would have better stats if they were playing D3.

I think any knowlegable basketball person would be embarassed by your attempt to claim steals per game in women's basketball is comparable to rebounds per game in men's basketball.  Without even getting into the differences between the women's and men's game, and the inherent difference between steals and rebounds, just the fact that steals happen less frequently in a game gives that statistic an increased degree of randomness.  However, I congratulate the Ithaca woman who lead the nation.  She should be quite proud of that accomplishment. I suspect she would also say it is ludicrous to try to compare that stat to men's rebounds.  By the way, at the end of the season carson will most likely hold the all-time E8 records for total, offensive and defensive rebounds per season.  If the season ended today he would break each of these records by > 1 rpg. 

I'm sure if he were an Ithaca player you would also be comparing this accomplishment to women's steals, because you claim to loath "homers".

By the way, if the buzzer-beater at RIT was disallowed, the game would have went into OT.  Since you are not a "homer", I'm surprised you are just assuming Ithaca would have won.

Cheers!

RITFAN (Or Carson fan, whichever you prefer)

If you'd like to re-read my post a little closer you'll see a few things

1) I never compared women's steals to men's rebounds. I was simply using it as example to say that it's not any more of a big deal, in my opinion, for a D-III player to lead the nation in a category, than  just leading Division III in a category. The Cleary steals situation I mentioned was brought up because I worked for ICB radio at the time, and tried to avoid mentioning the fact on the air not because it wasn't that it wasn't something to be proud of, but because I saw it as irrelevant. As you say,Division III is a different game so taking any numbers out of D-III and stacking them to D-I is really comparing apples to oranges. That's the point I was trying to make. Where you made the conclusion that I was comparing steals and rebounds as equal statistics is beyond me

2) And if it were Jeff Bostic, yes, I would consider it to be just as pointless.

3) It was also not a shot at Carson, which, judging by your e-mail address, you might have thought it was. I've said numerous times I think Carson is a beast inside and that he will win Conference POY if RIT beats Ithaca on the 22nd. I've got nothing but respect for the guy. He's a great player, and you can look at the 16-23 he put up compared to Bostic's 7-12 and see that IC's really not going to be able to shut him down. The best they can do is contain him, and make someone else beat them, like Lowe or Sweet. I have no doubt he'll have a strong game, and no doubt RIT will play well 

4) Yes, the IC game would have gone into overtime. I should have mentioned that, although if you've been following the boards, I have said that numerous times in other posts. I don't think Ithaca would have "automatically" won. I think Ithaca would have won however, but there's a reason for that beyond being a "homer." Ithaca was playing better at the time of the shot.

RIT took a 77-67 lead with 3:07 to go. From that point to Korinchak's shot, they were outscored 17-7, and were completely incapable of stopping the Bombers best player, Sean Burton, who scored 11 points, and assisted on the other two baskets. Certainly, RIT could have won the game in overtime, but that's a matter of debate. A team allowing 17 points in three minutes on their home court is not having a good stretch, and I believe it would have carried over. To me, RIT seemed tense, which might have explained the 0-2 from the floor and the five missed free throws in that stretch.

5) Personally, I've got no problem if RIT wins the conference tournament and makes the NCAA's, because it simply makes the Empire 8 look stronger. Ithaca will be in the NCAA's even if they don't win it, so if the Tigers take it, it's good for the conference as a whole.

[FROMAFAR]

Hey, UCGRAD you should be thrilled I picked NAZ over UC....... With my track record, UC should be a lock in that game....I understand senior night and Herring and all the regalia that goes along with it, but this UC team seems like the type that can be distracted. They shouldn't be, because I believe the winner of this game gets into the e-8 tourney. If they stay focused and Herring just lets it come to him, (which he is not known for) they may be OK.  NAZ is ina bit of a groove right now, and despite the lack of defense they can pull this off........Let me also say this, I think my Tigers can be in a bit  trouble as well. I truly see a slump or lack of intensity lately, and I think they end up with at least 2 loses in the last 4 maybe even 3. I don't think the IC game at the end of the season, will be meaningful as far as E-8 homecourt.......I truly believe that, I'm not trying to underplay my team in hopes I'm wrong.... Carson has to show me some leadership down the stretch, which he can do... These other guys may be feeling some pressure right now, and don't know how to handle. The tell tale will be the Stevens game tonight. They really should handle this bunch without too much difficulty, but if Stevens can make it a game, or keep it close late, then the Tigers have to show they can close it out, as opposed to what they did in the IC game, even though they got a break late.... That's not happening again. BUT what do I know      

[UCgrad45]

Hey, UCGRAD you should be thrilled I picked NAZ over UC....... With my track record, UC should be a lock in that game....I understand senior night and Herring and all the regalia that goes along with it, but this UC team seems like the type that can be distracted. They shouldn't be, because I believe the winner of this game gets into the e-8 tourney. If they stay focused and Herring just lets it come to him, (which he is not known for) they may be OK.  NAZ is ina bit of a groove right now, and despite the lack of defense they can pull this off........Let me also say this, I think my Tigers can be in a bit  trouble as well. I truly see a slump or lack of intensity lately, and I think they end up with at least 2 loses in the last 4 maybe even 3. I don't think the IC game at the end of the season, will be meaningful as far as E-8 homecourt.......I truly believe that, I'm not trying to underplay my team in hopes I'm wrong.... Carson has to show me some leadership down the stretch, which he can do... These other guys may be feeling some pressure right now, and don't know how to handle. The tell tale will be the Stevens game tonight. They really should handle this bunch without too much difficulty, but if Stevens can make it a game, or keep it close late, then the Tigers have to show they can close it out, as opposed to what they did in the IC game, even though they got a break late.... That's not happening again. BUT what do I know      

Ahh, now I get the way you close your posts! Doug is averaging 19.75 points, 7 rebounds and 4.5 assists over the last 4 games. I think he will do fine.

[FisherDynasty]

I have to agree with UCgrad on this one, I think Utica beats naz by 5-10.  1) Naz sucks on the road, 2) Utica is playing really good right now, 3) Utica is a tough place to play and a tough trip to make. 

[FROMAFAR]

I never thought I would have an AX to grind in a UC NAZ game. Go NAZ.... Now watch NAZ wins and makes E 8 tourney plays RIT and wins...... that would be my luck..........  I wish Doug all the best, with all the hoopla however there can be distractions and he haas looked distracted at times this year. IF he plays within himself and the system they have, he should get his 18-20 points.... be careful in this one.... the mcAdams have been hot as well, if they stay hot they e can outscore this bunch...BUT What do I know ;)iob

[FisherDynasty]

I hope Naz doesnt win or make the e8 tourny since they were out quick in the tourny last year, come tournyy team you have to play defense which they don't.  You also have to have 5 good players not just 3.

[FROMAFAR]

FisherD, UC plays NAZ, Stevens and Fisher...... If UC gets in they deserve to. Don't sell NAZ short guys.....I know about the D but for some reason they always scare me... maybe the way they play so loose, I don't know...but they are tough to stop, and if you are not on........ tough to outscore......
I can't believe I am defending NAZ    

[TheNextLevel]

My picks:

Friday:
      Utica beats Naz
      RIT over Stevens
      Elmira tops Alfred
 
Saturday:
      Ithaca over Fisher

Sunday:
      Stevens beats Utica
       RIT tops Hartwick

[Bombers798891]

Utica and Nazareth in an old-fashioned shootout, 47-46 Pioneers at the break. Naz looks like they're up to their old "Defense optional" strategy.

Nine different Utica players have scored, led by Patterson and Goodman with 11 and 10.

Naz is led by Corey and Ryan McAdam with 16 and 11.

RIT struggling with Stevens, up by one 30-29. Carson has 10-6 and Harper with 8. Virgil has 12 for stevens...

[UCgrad45]

Utica over Naz 92-86. Good win for the Pioneers. Pat Goodman with 24, James Patterson with 19 and Doug Herring with 17. That was an important game.

[Bombers798891]

RIT pulls away from Stevens and Utica holds off Naz.

This kind of game must be infuriating for Naz fans. Closest thing to a playoff game they'll have this season and they let Utica shoot 53% from the floor and allow 92 points. Every time Utica needed a basket they got it.

Goodman leads with 24. C. McAdam goes for 28 for Naz. Naz goes 17-27 from the line and Utica is a near perfect 15-16. Boy, Naz must be kicking themselves for leaving those points on the board

[NaztyNate]

17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

[FROMAFAR]

UCGRAD and Fisher D you were right about the UC NAZ game and I was wrong... don't feel special, that happens a lot to me...  I was very close on the Stevens RIT game.  That now makes it a 3 team race for the 3-4 spots and NAZ is barely breathing.   Looks like IC... RIT... UC...Fisher in that order...to me. Tigers did what they had to and bench steeped up when they needed to. Stevens is horrific from foul line, and 19 turnovers. It's sad to watch his team try to play without a guy they can trust with the ball in their hands. In fairness they have played all year without a true point guard and were very young down low...They are also not deep......... so to be in the race this long was pretty good I guess.  Tigers impressed me last night. Carson did what Carson does, but as I stated they needed to close the game out if the outcome was still in the balance late and they did that.  I'm a little pumped about our chances to make that last game meaningful, but senior night at IC with the seniors they have graduating......It will take a miracle.....and yes UCGRAD now you know what I mean when I say BUT what do I know  

[Bombers798891]

17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Sure you can. What team allows 92 points in a must-win game? One that has an aversion to defense. And that starts with coaching.