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Ethelred the Unready

Quote from: Bombers798891 on February 14, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: NaztyNate on February 14, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Sure you can. What team allows 92 points in a must-win game? One that has an aversion to defense. And that starts with coaching.

Is it his "style" to try to score more than the other team without worrying too much about stopping them a la Grinnell, Loyola Marymount, etc.?  Or does he not teach or recruit defense?

One of the many colleges I attended, Troy St University in Alabama, was a DII power back in the 80's.  Their philosophy was to give you as many points as you could score and still score more.  They gave up 156 in one game.  Which was pretty bad, but since they scored 253, well...it worked out OK for them.  If I remember they made a 3 pointer every 9 seconds or something sick like that.  They lost to Bridgeport in the finals after scoring 120+ the night before in the semi's.  No gas in the tank.  Always got your money's worth when you went to a TSU game.
"Your mind is on vacation but your mouth is working overtime" - Mose Allison

Bombers798891

Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on February 14, 2009, 03:13:13 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on February 14, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: NaztyNate on February 14, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Sure you can. What team allows 92 points in a must-win game? One that has an aversion to defense. And that starts with coaching.

Is it his "style" to try to score more than the other team without worrying too much about stopping them a la Grinnell, Loyola Marymount, etc.?  Or does he not teach or recruit defense?

One of the many colleges I attended, Troy St University in Alabama, was a DII power back in the 80's.  Their philosophy was to give you as many points as you could score and still score more.  They gave up 156 in one game.  Which was pretty bad, but since they scored 253, well...it worked out OK for them.  If I remember they made a 3 pointer every 9 seconds or something sick like that.  They lost to Bridgeport in the finals after scoring 120+ the night before in the semi's.  No gas in the tank.  Always got your money's worth when you went to a TSU game.

I'm sure some of it is style-related, but there just seems to be a lack of effort at times on the defensive end. They've actually played a little better defensively as of late, which is why the outburst last night seems so bad. Although since 4 of those 6 games were against Hartwick, Alfred and Elmira, maybe it was just the competition

e8bballfan

Quote from: Bombers798891 on February 14, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: NaztyNate on February 14, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Sure you can. What team allows 92 points in a must-win game? One that has an aversion to defense. And that starts with coaching.

Naz wasn't the only team not playing much defense in that game as Utica allowed Naz to score 86 points on a night when Naz missed 10 free throws and shoots 3-16 from deep. Maybe if Naz hits some of those shots we would be talking about how UC played crap defense...

gobombers15

Bombers knock off visiting Fisher, 77-67.
A 2004 graduate of the "almighty legendary" Ithaca College. Goooooo Bombers.

UCgrad45

Quote from: e8bballfan on February 14, 2009, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on February 14, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: NaztyNate on February 14, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
17-27 from the line and 3 for 16 from three. Not gonna win playoff type games with those numbers. Cant put this one on Daley.

Sure you can. What team allows 92 points in a must-win game? One that has an aversion to defense. And that starts with coaching.

Naz wasn't the only team not playing much defense in that game as Utica allowed Naz to score 86 points on a night when Naz missed 10 free throws and shoots 3-16 from deep. Maybe if Naz hits some of those shots we would be talking about how UC played crap defense...


However you would be wrong. Naz is second in the conference in scoring behind Ithaca, and averages 81 points a game. They were right around what you would expect from them. UC however, only averages 71 ppg and dropped 92.

Watching that game, UC had a lot of nice defensive stops. For the most part, the only time Naz "stopped" UC was when the shot simply didn't fall.

UCgrad45

Quote from: FROMAFAR on February 14, 2009, 01:07:35 PM
UCGRAD and Fisher D you were right about the UC NAZ game and I was wrong... don't feel special, that happens a lot to me...  I was very close on the Stevens RIT game.  That now makes it a 3 team race for the 3-4 spots and NAZ is barely breathing.   Looks like IC... RIT... UC...Fisher in that order...to me. Tigers did what they had to and bench steeped up when they needed to. Stevens is horrific from foul line, and 19 turnovers. It's sad to watch his team try to play without a guy they can trust with the ball in their hands. In fairness they have played all year without a true point guard and were very young down low...They are also not deep......... so to be in the race this long was pretty good I guess.  Tigers impressed me last night. Carson did what Carson does, but as I stated they needed to close the game out if the outcome was still in the balance late and they did that.  I'm a little pumped about our chances to make that last game meaningful, but senior night at IC with the seniors they have graduating......It will take a miracle.....and yes UCGRAD now you know what I mean when I say BUT what do I know ;) 


It's all good. You are a good sport.

UCgrad45

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 14, 2009, 07:45:47 PM
Bombers knock off visiting Fisher, 77-67.

How was that game down the stretch? With 12 minutes left I had to stop watching. IC was firmly in control then.

owen

QuoteThey gave up 156 in one game.  Which was pretty bad, but since they scored 253, well...it worked out OK for them.
Well said! Almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that.

Bombers798891

Quote from: UCgrad45 on February 14, 2009, 07:54:19 PM
Quote from: gobombers15 on February 14, 2009, 07:45:47 PM
Bombers knock off visiting Fisher, 77-67.

How was that game down the stretch? With 12 minutes left I had to stop watching. IC was firmly in control then.

UC--

IC was pretty much in semi-control the rest of the way. Fisher didn't get closer than seven in the second half. IC lead by as much as 14 with 5:40 left

Bombers798891

RIT in another first half struggle, up 28-25...

RIT had an early 17-8 lead, but Hartwick has closed the gap. Carson has 8-4 at halftime, which is a tad low for him

Bombers798891

50-43 Hartwick 11:30 to go...

magicman

Utica reverses 4 pt halftime deficit at Stevens. Pioneers now up 49-46 with 13:21 to go.

Bombers798891

64-55 Hartwick 4:35 to go...

Bombers798891

68-60 Wick 3:20 left...can RIT get another miracle comeback?

Bombers798891

71-63 Wick with 2:25 to go