Empire 8

FROMAFAR · November 19, 2009, 09:28:52 AM

On past performance, we can annoint McAdam... But let's remember he has a different supporting cast... as a matter of fact we can't annoint anyone at this POINT (excuse the PUN).....One game in, not enough..... Korinchak and Lowe gave some good minutes in our ( RIT) first game but they could regress in game 2....Mc Adam was 4-15 from the field, 2 assists and 6 T/O.... I know he is the heir apparent but again... let's see what happens this year. There are a lot of point guards out there that could rise from the ashes so to say.... I need to get through at least 3 Conference games before I start looking at ALL Conference and that may be too early....HOWEVER good chatter... love it... Michigan..... any short comings Fisher may have won't be because of coaching.......IF their talent is as good as is being touted, then they will win...... Korny won't have it any other way....... Their are some suspect coaches in this league, but I don't like knocking anyone on the board, because as I always say What do I know

FisherDynasty · November 19, 2009, 10:51:43 AM

I agree with Bomber3 it is too early for discussions for best PG. Newman is definately up there he is a 4 year starter for the best team in the league. He may not put up the numbers but numbers arn't everything. No one from fisher ever puts up big numbers. As far as Mcadam I know he puts up unreal stats but everytime he matches up with Newman, Newman handles him. Naz's system is different than fisher, Naz always has people with great stats but no wins to show for it. And Rossi, I havn't seen him from Ithaca, but the way ithaca has played past few years and high scoring offense strategy, I don't see puting up large numbers to be comparable either. I also think jordan gettings from fisher is one of the top point guards, the kid can flat out play. Either way, all mentioned are pretty good, just too early to tell who is the best at this point.

Go Naz · November 19, 2009, 11:26:31 AM

How can you say that Newman handles Mcadam every time they face each other? The last 6 times they have faced each other look like this:

Corey: 16.5 ppg, 7.3 apg
Newman: 11.8ppg, 4 apg

Naz has won 4 of those 6 games, one of which was a conference championship. It's tough to make the argument that Newman handles Mcadam when Corey puts up better number and his team wins.

FisherDynasty · November 19, 2009, 11:59:13 AM

good point. I guess i was referring to newmans fresh year when i saw them go head to head and Mcadam was getting all of the hype but I just didnt see it.

FROMAFAR · November 19, 2009, 12:30:22 PM

This is going to show you how much I pay attention............Does Newman actually play the point....... he always seems to be in the off guard position when I have watched him.... am I completely off base?

I have to tell you, McAdams would drive me crazy if I coached him... (maybe that's why I don't coach) He seems to dribble too much., too many turnovers for me.... BUT BUT BUT I know he ends up with the numbers...... so what do I know....... I prefer, the Burton and of course Greco style at the point.. either shoot or get rid of it quickly............

sjfcards · November 19, 2009, 10:19:09 PM

I think Newman is built for the 2 spot physically, but he has been forced into the point a little bit, since Fisher has not had a great alternative in the past 4 years. I think his numbers lack sometimes since he looks to set up the shooters like Ozell. McAdam is much better at getting his when it comes to scoring, but Newman is a nice player at the 1 spot.

bomber3 · November 20, 2009, 02:21:43 PM

The Bombers travel to mass. to play in the Amherst tournament this weekend. They take on Endicott (1-1) tonight where they should be the slight favorite. Endicott lost to Vassar and beat Framingham state and still seems to be figuring out what they have (played 12 players in a 3 point win). We'll see if Jordan Marcus can raise that scoring average this weekend.

In a second round matchup they will play either host and perennial national power Amherst (0-0, 21-7 last year) or Maine-Farmington (0-0, 13-12 last year). Amherst is ranked 25th in the preseason poll and hopefully the bombers match up with them in the tournament finals. Go bombers!

Cyclone0205 · November 20, 2009, 08:29:53 PM

Caught the Stevens game today, a blowout win for the Ducks. King's is a horrible team but hung with the Ducks more than the score shows. Game got within 8 with 5 minutes to go after Stevens had taken like a 20 point lead.

Greco led the way with 16 points and 10 assists. Had roughly 6 turnovers but a lot of that was unforced with him reading a play differently than the teammate. Out of the 6 I think 3 were actually his fault. Higgins shot the ball well, finishing with 19. If the Ducks are going to be good this year, these two have to play this way. Smith chimed in with 8 and 9.

Big Problem AGAIN! The Kid Conroy for Kings, who is maybe 6'5", had an EASY 25 points in the paint tonight. Was scoring at will on Smith or Franklin. If Stevens doesn't get this corrected they are going to lose to any team with a legitimate post man.

Best lineup used tonight was Greco at 1, Thompson at 2, Cutri at 3, Higgins at 4, Smith at 5. Hurley went to these extensively both times that Stevens went on runs to stretch the lead. Sheldon Jones had an off night and is aggressive but limited offensively. I think he can score, but he doesn't have a great handle. Just more athletic ability.

Nice win for the Ducks to get off the bubble. See how they play Sunday against a bigger and much more athletic Babson team that was in the stands watching I think. I saw someone else there, I assumed it would be them.

magicman · November 20, 2009, 08:42:20 PM

Ithaca leads Endicott College 34-28 at the half. Marcus with 10, and Barera with 8 top the Bombers scoring.

magicman · November 20, 2009, 09:11:29 PM

If the Bombers win their game tonight they get to tackle #25 ranked Amherst tomorrow at 3 PM in the Championship of the Ken Wright '52 Memorial Tournament.
The Lord Jeffs defeated Maine-Farmington earlier tonight 76-51.

Cortland St. won tonight at the Williams Invitational and will probably face off against Williams tomorrow provided the Ephs get by So. Vermont in a game going on right now. Williams had an 11 pt lead 41-30 but So. Vermont has come back to close within 3, 44-41 at the break.

Be interesting to see how well an E8 title contender and a SUNYAC title contender match up against 2 of the top teams in NESCAC. Hixon usually reloads well and this year appears to be no different as The Lord Jeffs were led in scoring tonight by 6'9" 260 LB freshman center Peter Kaasila. He came off the bench and scored 14 pts in 17 minutes going 6x6 from the field, with 1 of those 6 field goals coming from behind the arc.

magicman · November 20, 2009, 10:10:02 PM

Ithaca over Endicott 78-69. Good Luck tomorrow against Amherst.

FROMAFAR · November 20, 2009, 10:23:17 PM

Hey cyclone did you speak with hurley... based on what you saw, and report, you were right on with your projected best line up......You drew a nice picture.... I understand your analysis of the turnovers, the kid sees the court a split second ahead of everyone else, sometimes his team-mates are a step slower.. All in all sounds like they had a nice night and maybe just maybe someone is beginning to lead this team a bit on the court.......Didn't have that last year... I plan on going Sunday, I'll see if this continues.... Thanks Cyclone..........I'll see if I can do the same for Sundays game

magicman · November 20, 2009, 10:25:40 PM

Ithaca was led by Jordan Marcus and Phil Barera with 20 points apiece. Barera also hauled down a game high 11 rebounds. Chris Cruz-Rivas added 15 pts with 8 boards and Sean Rossi was also in double figures with 14 pts.

magicman · November 20, 2009, 10:32:08 PM

FROMAFAR,

I get to see your team tomorrow evening as RIT pulls into Plattsburgh for the Cardinal Classic. They take on Husson in the 1st game, followed by Plattsburgh St. against Norwich. I hope to see an RIT-PLattsburgh championship game on Sunday.

magicman · November 21, 2009, 06:19:59 AM

In other E8 action on Friday night:

Alfred moves to 2-1 by downing Penn St. York 81-54

Nazareth pounds Marietta 95-67 to even their record at 1-1. 5 guys in double figures led by Corletta with 21 and McAdam with 19. Next up Buffalo St. in the Championship game of the Coles Classic. The Bengals with a 14-0 run late in the game to turn a 62-60 lead into a 76-60 advantage over Pitt Bradford. Final score was 81-69 and Bengals played without 6'7" Antonio Samedi, their most experienced big man. Frosh Jake Simmons in his Buffalo St. debut scored 27 points and Soph Norman Simmons had 18. Anyone know if these guys are brothers? Be interesting to see how these teams match up. Bengals will miss Samedi though.

Hartwick mows down Cazenovia 86-58 to move to 2-0. Mark Blazek was 6 for 6 from three pt. land and overall hit 8 of 14 shots to lead the Hawks with 26 pts.

Utica College defeats Keuka 76-54 to move to 3-0 on the season and a showdown for hometown supremecy as they take on SUNYIT in the Championship game of the SUNYIT Tip-Off Tournament. The Pioneers were led by Pat Goodman with a game high 22 pts. James Patterson added 15 pts and 5 rebounds.
SUNYIT advanced to the championship game by stopping St Joseph(VT) 85-70. Dave Golembiowski led the wildcats with a double-double of 29 pts and 12 rebounds. Dave G went over the 1000 pt mark for his career Friday night. His 29 pts were scored on 11 of 16 from the field, including 5 of 9 from behind the arc.