Empire 8

[FISHERMAN]

HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Just curious, why do you say that about Coach Mahanna??

First off, I certainly did not mean any disrespect to Coach Kornaker. His resume speaks for itself. Five E8 titles in the last seven years and a .778 winning percentage certainly says it all. Asst. coach Mahanna is entering his second season under Kornaker and has made a name for himself on the recruting trail among other coaches. The freshmen class, brought in by Kornaker and Mahannna, has created a bit of a stir in the E8 and surely will play a significant role in numerous league titles in the future for the Cardinals. The freshmen haven't seen much action yet but have showed flashes. Francis and Evans, in partiular, look like studs. I have also heard (from a few reliable people who would know) that Asst. coach Mahanna has been pivotal in the individual skill development of the returning players, Gettings and Henderson especially. If he's not a head coach within the next four or five years I will eat my hat.

[FISHERMAN]

HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Fisher may be the best team in the E8, but a 90-83 loss at home to Hobart, a team who two other E8 teams knocked off, is enough to make one "question" whether they are "the class" of the E8. Tone down the hyperbole a bit and people may take you more seriously.

Surprising result: Naz hammers Utica, 66-50. Somewhat shocked by that one.

Gobombers....i'm with you regarding fisher... they beat a disappointing RIT team that was picked to finsh 2nd in the league but will  be lucky to make the E8 conference tournament in my opinion.  RIT is 2-4 overall with 2 league losses.  At this point I have Fisher, Ithaca, Stevens, Utica, Nazareth, and Hartwick better than them.  I wouldn't go crowning Fisher as the class of the league because they beat a struggling team at home by 14.

Wow, I never expected such a negative reaction, especially from the Cardinal fans. "They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8" is what I said and I'm sticking to it. Check with me half-way through the season and we'll see if I'm wrong. I'm a loyal Fisher soldier that is confident that we are going to step-up to the challenege and deliver another E8 title. Fisher fans should not be afraid to tell it like it is, we have dominated the E8 for the last 15 years and will continuue to do so.

[Razor]

Sounds like Assistant Coach Mahanna is doing a little self-promotion or has hired a friend to do so lol.  Fisher has had lots of great assistant coaches over the years--Coach Sullivan, Coach Hepler, etc. and I haven't heard any glowing evaluations of Coach Mahanna from other coaches in the Rochester area.  You can talk about the development of certain players but what about the lack of growth in such players as Franklin and Cornett.  Franklin in particular is the most athletic player on their roster and came in with a tremendous amount of upside 2 years ago.  Now he's not even in the starting lineup??  If we're talking about great coaching...lets talk about the production that Coach Broderick is getting out of his first year team across the street at Naz.  Tyshaun Stephens isn't playing like a freshman, Cory McAddam is taking care of the ball, their playing great team Defense, and their doing it with a rotation of maybe 6 or 7 guys after losing Dehimer, Ryan McAddam, and Rayvon Higdon from last years team.  I'm not a Naz fan but that's impressive!

[boobyhasgameyo]

So I was just taking a look at the bball boards because it's been a while since I've closely followed Fisher basketball and what do I find?  Apparently I made the first post after the D3boards migrated over to the current site and it says that I am the creator of the E8 thread...Basically I feel like a mini celebrity.  If anybody cares for an autograph feel free to email me at Boobyhas@game.yo and I'll send one out to you asap. 

How have things changed in the E8 over the past few years?  Fisher and RIT still towards the top?  Naz still trying to act like they can compete against Fisher but don't realize that we just laugh at them from across the street?  Hartwick still hanging out at the bottom?  Somebody fill me in!

[fisheralum91]

good to see ya on boob
looks like same  ole- you left out the enigma that is IC

oh and speaking of IC- an IC alum- Emma Wright is on wktv on the weekend
eeek---face for radio

[sjfcards]

HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Fisher may be the best team in the E8, but a 90-83 loss at home to Hobart, a team who two other E8 teams knocked off, is enough to make one "question" whether they are "the class" of the E8. Tone down the hyperbole a bit and people may take you more seriously.

Surprising result: Naz hammers Utica, 66-50. Somewhat shocked by that one.

Gobombers....i'm with you regarding fisher... they beat a disappointing RIT team that was picked to finsh 2nd in the league but will  be lucky to make the E8 conference tournament in my opinion.  RIT is 2-4 overall with 2 league losses.  At this point I have Fisher, Ithaca, Stevens, Utica, Nazareth, and Hartwick better than them.  I wouldn't go crowning Fisher as the class of the league because they beat a struggling team at home by 14.

Wow, I never expected such a negative reaction, especially from the Cardinal fans. "They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8" is what I said and I'm sticking to it. Check with me half-way through the season and we'll see if I'm wrong. I'm a loyal Fisher soldier that is confident that we are going to step-up to the challenege and deliver another E8 title. Fisher fans should not be afraid to tell it like it is, we have dominated the E8 for the last 15 years and will continuue to do so.

I don't think Fisher fans have ever been afraid to say when they think their team is the best. I just think the posters that have been on this board for awhile see that this team, while talented and experienced, is not as good as some of the Fisher teams in the past that were clearly the class of the E8. At this point I think most people have Fisher is the horse with the inside track to win the league, but we can also see it going badly enough where they finish 2nd or 3rd.

I hope you are right, but lets have them play Ithaca and Stevens before they are anointed as the best team in the E8.

[FisherDynasty]

perfectly put sjfcards.

[fisheralum91]

"ther are who we thought they were"

[e8bballfan]

Thanks, fisherman, for the response on Mahanna. He is still young and has plenty of time to grow as a coach.

And what's up with Brandon Witte? Why isn't he getting any PT???

[gobombers15]

HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Fisher may be the best team in the E8, but a 90-83 loss at home to Hobart, a team who two other E8 teams knocked off, is enough to make one "question" whether they are "the class" of the E8. Tone down the hyperbole a bit and people may take you more seriously.

Surprising result: Naz hammers Utica, 66-50. Somewhat shocked by that one.

Gobombers....i'm with you regarding fisher... they beat a disappointing RIT team that was picked to finsh 2nd in the league but will  be lucky to make the E8 conference tournament in my opinion.  RIT is 2-4 overall with 2 league losses.  At this point I have Fisher, Ithaca, Stevens, Utica, Nazareth, and Hartwick better than them.  I wouldn't go crowning Fisher as the class of the league because they beat a struggling team at home by 14.

Wow, I never expected such a negative reaction, especially from the Cardinal fans. "They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8" is what I said and I'm sticking to it. Check with me half-way through the season and we'll see if I'm wrong. I'm a loyal Fisher soldier that is confident that we are going to step-up to the challenege and deliver another E8 title. Fisher fans should not be afraid to tell it like it is, we have dominated the E8 for the last 15 years and will continuue to do so.

When I think of a team being the class of this conference, I am thinking that they'll be in the 14-2 or 15-1 range (i.e., recent Ithaca and Fisher teams). I don't see any one team dominating like that this season. As I said in my earlier post, Fisher may very well be the best team this year. However, I don't think their season will be without its share of inconsistent performances (like the Hobart loss). I think there's more parity this season than ever before. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the regular season conference champ go 11-5 or 12-4.

[SVCS]

Looks like Mahanna is doing more sideline coaching than Kornaker - he rides the players while Kornaker rides the refs.  Neither Witte nor Evans has had much PT so far this season - looks like Mahanna is mixing things up a bit...should be interesting.

[FROMAFAR]

Gobombers I couldn't agree more.......I will go far enough, or fromafar enough to say, the 4th place team has 7 losses.  But what do I know

[sjfcards]

 There was a season like that a while back (maybe 00-01 a the year before?) I remember Fisher winning the league with a couple losses. Something like 4 or 5 of them. Fisher beat Elmira, and someone else lost on the last day of the season to give Fisher the automatic bid (Before the E8 tournament).

I could see this season being more like that, but I think Fisher will have less than 5 losses in the league this year, probably more like 3 or 4. Hopefully Kornaker can get the team up for the conference games. I don't doubt at all that the teams shooting for the fourth spot may have 7 losses (Or more).

I have seen most of the E8 teams, at least on video, and I do think Fisher is the most complete. IC is a quality team, and I have not seen Stevens but they look strong so far.

[fisheralum91]

ill check out tha alma mater when they come to town to play UC-
team sounds ---well---sound
just needs a better presence in the paint
this next game againse desales will tell a lot

[bomber3]

HAHAHAHA....Fisher smacked RIT today. Ignore any previous posts saying otherwise. The score did not do the game justice. Fisher took the lead early in the first and was never threatened afterwards. They are an extremely well-coached team and have a lot of promising youngsters. They are unquestionably the class of the elite 8. Asst. coach Mahanna is surely someone to keep on your radars. Truly a rising star. RIT gave a good effort and I would not be surprised to see them upset a team in the future. Once the younger Cardinals relax and start finishing around the hoop and the team as a whole guards the three slightly better, its all over.

Just curious, why do you say that about Coach Mahanna??

First off, I certainly did not mean any disrespect to Coach Kornaker. His resume speaks for itself. Five E8 titles in the last seven years and a .778 winning percentage certainly says it all. Asst. coach Mahanna is entering his second season under Kornaker and has made a name for himself on the recruting trail among other coaches. The freshmen class, brought in by Kornaker and Mahannna, has created a bit of a stir in the E8 and surely will play a significant role in numerous league titles in the future for the Cardinals. The freshmen haven't seen much action yet but have showed flashes. Francis and Evans, in partiular, look like studs. I have also heard (from a few reliable people who would know) that Asst. coach Mahanna has been pivotal in the individual skill development of the returning players, Gettings and Henderson especially. If he's not a head coach within the next four or five years I will eat my hat.

In regards to Mahanna, it is wayy too early to tell.  He has only been there two years and they didn't even make the E8 tourney is his first year.  Also, Fisher did fine without him the previous 5 or 6 years.  One of the definite up and coming coaches is Nevada Smith from IC.  He has been strong recruiting (Marcus, Cruz, current freshman, etc.) and is one of the main reasons the uptempo style was implemented. 

IC's record the past 3 years speaks for itself:

Record since arriving: 60-27 (69%)
3 Years Prior: 42-40  (51%)