Empire 8

[FROMAFAR]

I don't think it's a matter of blaming the ref's, as much as it is a matter of disappointment 3 guys sometimes don't see the obvious, or miss the obvious, or call something that never happened. Agreed it's part of the game and every team gets those advantages at one time or another. In addition if a player can have a bad game, then I guess a ref can too..........BUT when the game is on the line and every call counts, you can't help pointing out the mistake, especially the obvious ones. I give SJFCARDS a lot of credit..he tells it like it is... Nice job +K........

Congrats to NAZ, I had a feeling after seeing Fisher last night, they were ripe to be knocked off by Stevens, but those early phnatom calls cost Stevens...........Well the e-8 will definitely get two in.......... that's the good news.....    

[sjfcards]

Any chance Fisher does not get in come selection time?

[blossom930]

Your right bombers. fisher had total control and let Naz have take it back. but a couple calls by the refs probably decided the game. Just like the calls last night that got naz into tonights game. It is tough to swallow if your on the short end.      On the shot clock/backboard call only three people in the building missed it. That is tough to live with. A team works all year to win the conference, and a blown call decides it.

not only did the refs not see it, but did not hear it?  come on.  If you were sitting in Naz'z gym you probably heard the shot clock cage rattle when the basketball hit it.  It was that bad.  In other words, you did not have to see it.

I can handle bad calls most of the time, partly because they go both ways, and mostly because at least the other team has to make a free throw. 

But to be awarded 2 points?   

Tough way to lose no matter which team it was...  Sucks to win that way too.  If I was a Naz player, I sure would have rather won by 3 pts... 

[magicman]

Any chance Fisher does not get in come selection time?

sjfcards,
Fisher is a lock for a Pool C bid as they will still be the 1st team in the East Region to come up for consideration by the NCAA selection committee. Oneonta St who lost to Plattsburgh St this afternoon in the battle for the SUNYAC bid will also have a good chance to get an at large if there isn't too many upsets among the ranked teams from other regions. The Red Dragons should be the 2nd team from the East under consideration.

Update:
Since I first posted this more conference tournaments have ended and more projections have been done that put forth the probable Pool C bid winners. It now looks like Fisher AND Oneonta are locks to go Dancing. Looks like the East Region will have the following teams this year.

Plattsburgh State---SUNYAC  Automatic Bid
Nazareth---Empire 8  Automatic Bid
St. Lawrence---Liberty League  Automatic Bid
Medaille--- Alleghany Mountain Collegiate Conference  Automatic Bid
SUNYIT/Wells winner--- North Eastern Athletic Conference  Automatic Bid
St John Fisher---Pool C At Large Bid
Oneonta State---Pool C At Largr Bid

Ithaca will come up just short of getting a bid as they would be the next East Region team on the table for consideration.

Last year we had 6 teams make the tournament. This year we will have 7 teams get in. The difference is the SUNYAC only got 1 bid last year while this year they get 2.

[e8bballfan]

Fisher fans are funny complaining about the officials when there were more fouls called on Naz (16) than Fisher (12) and both teams shot 17 FT's. Maybe you should complain about how Fisher went 9-17 from the FT line or how Newman and Gettings played horribly (combined 4-18 from field, 0-4 from 3, 13 pts, 11rbs, 7 assists, 6 of those being from Gettings).

[FISHERMAN]

It's always difficult to comment on refs without getting the predictable "you're blaming it on the refs, your team could have just played better blah blah blah". Fisher played awful last night in many ways. No doubt about it. However, the result of the game was changed due to the refs incompetence. Of course the refs always effect the end result of the game. But last night they made some egregious errors. Anybody who saw the game knows this. But its done with, time to move on.

VIVA LA CARDS!!!!!

[sjfcards]

Fisher fans are funny complaining about the officials when there were more fouls called on Naz (16) than Fisher (12) and both teams shot 17 FT's. Maybe you should complain about how Fisher went 9-17 from the FT line or how Newman and Gettings played horribly (combined 4-18 from field, 0-4 from 3, 13 pts, 11rbs, 7 assists, 6 of those being from Gettings).

I wonder why it is just Fisher fans that are funny, when less than 24 hours earlier Ithaca fans were on here upset about the officiating, and before then other fans have come on and argued about officiating. All fans complain, especially when they got jobbed by officials.

I think all Fisher posters have stated that Fisher should have played better, and/or, should have shut it down when they were up by double digits. But come on, when the Refs give a team 2 points on a shot that CLEARLY hit the shot clock (NO ONE who was at the game would argue that it did not. Except maybe the ref that was obvioulsy not watching the game), and that team wins by 1 point, it is tough not to comment on it.

[Go Naz]

Congrats to Naz! Say whatever you want, they pulled themselves out of a double digit hole in the second half on their opponents floor, a very tough thing to do.  Fisher had an opportunity to step on their throats and they didnt.  There are bad calls in every game, it is just the nature of the beast.  I wish both Naz and Fisher luck in the NCAA's.

[the golden flyer]

I am still in shock from the end result last night. There is no doubt that the ref blew that call but like it was mentioned before, it is the nature of the beast. You have to keep in mind that we are not dealing with division 1 officials and that there will be calls like this. With that being said, I would be upset if I were on the other side of the coin being a Fisher fan. However, to blame the outcome of the game solely on that call I certainly can not agree with. If Fisher knocks down their free throws, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Congrats to Naz and it would be fun to see these two teams matchup again in the NCAA tourney and hope they represent the E8 well!

[Bombers798891]

I am still in shock from the end result last night. There is no doubt that the ref blew that call but like it was mentioned before, it is the nature of the beast. You have to keep in mind that we are not dealing with division 1 officials and that there will be calls like this. With that being said, I would be upset if I were on the other side of the coin being a Fisher fan. However, to blame the outcome of the game solely on that call I certainly can not agree with. If Fisher knocks down their free throws, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Congrats to Naz and it would be fun to see these two teams matchup again in the NCAA tourney and hope they represent the E8 well!

What are the rules on reviewable plays? I know they took a look at the video at the Ithaca-Utica women's game last night, but maybe they only can look at buzzer-beaters?

[sjfcards]

I am still in shock from the end result last night. There is no doubt that the ref blew that call but like it was mentioned before, it is the nature of the beast. You have to keep in mind that we are not dealing with division 1 officials and that there will be calls like this. With that being said, I would be upset if I were on the other side of the coin being a Fisher fan. However, to blame the outcome of the game solely on that call I certainly can not agree with. If Fisher knocks down their free throws, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Congrats to Naz and it would be fun to see these two teams matchup again in the NCAA tourney and hope they represent the E8 well!

I 100% agree with you Flyer. Fisher let that game slip away in the last 10 minutes. Bad calls are part of the game, and 50/50 calls I try not to complain about. The foul call that put Naz on the line to win is one of those calls that is called half the time, and is a no call the other half. But that happens and the ref makes his best judgement in a split second. However, an easy call like that one? The ref should give his money back.

The projections on this site have a possible Naz Fisher rematch in the second round. How much fun would that be? Hopefully they play in Rochester so a lot of people can go and see it.

[magicman]

D3Hoops has come up with a projected bracket for the NCAA Tournament. These are only projections and probably will differ from the actual NCAA committee's bracket but I sure hope that the pod Pat Coleman has for Plattsburgh St. happens. Pat has Plattsburgh hosting 1st and 2nd round games with the Cardinals taking on Nazareth and those other Cardinals, St John Fisher taking on Colby. Nothing could be finer!!!

[sjfcards]

Part of me wants a Naz Fisher rematch, but the other part would like to see the two split up. It could be a shot in the arm for the conference and region if both could have some success, rather than knocking each other out early.

[FisherDynasty]

I actually think the loss may help fisher in the tourny. It obviously won't help with getting a good see but I don't think the Fisher team has the poise and heart to continue with its win streak much longer.  Now that they got the loss out of the way maybe it will knock them back down to reality and they can regroup before the tourny.

[sjfcards]

Let's hope.