Empire 8

[magicman]

I will attest to Rossi's assist count tonight. It helps when a lot of your passes go to a guy who shoots 16-of-18 from the field!!

Fran Elia
Cortland SID

Fran,
I was following the game on your live stats feed and when I saw that Rossi had 13 assists with over 8 minutes to play I thought there was a chance he could hit 20. Then you would have had to swear on a bible. If the Bombers hadn't missed so many of those 3's he probably would have gotten to 20.


And Bombers 798891,
As usual, you are correct in your Ithaca analysis. I also don't understand how nearly half your shots can come from beyond the arc. Another telling stat is that better than 80% of the 3's in Tuesday night's game came with less than half of the shot clock used up. The guys were hoisting up those 3's with 5 to 15 seconds gone in the possession. Maybe it's the Grinnell offense they choose to imitate.  Looking at the Bombers schedule I would have bet that they would be 5-0 at this point instead of 3-2. They travel to St. Lawrence this Friday and it's another game they should win. The Saints who returned a lot of veterans have struggled this year, opening up 1-3. They have played some quality teams (U of R, Plattsburgh St., and Bates but the loss of their All Region point guard Josh Sharlow (who is playing professionally on 1 of the upper division English teams) seems to have hurt the flow of their offense as everything pretty much ran through him for the past 3 years. But if Ithaca chooses to fire up the 3 balls with the success rate they had tonight I don't think they walk out of Burkman Gymnasium with a W.      

[FROMAFAR]

Bear... thanks for your input, it explains a few things. Bomber 798xxxx nice win for the Bombers. Looks like Rossi assists were pretty much that of a point guard. The Bombers did not hit many 3's so as long as all those assists on 2's were the direct result of a basket, and no extra moves required, like cross over dribbels etc. , good for him and the Bombers.  We need the E-8 to start and prove themselves out of Conference.  By the way I recall McAdams assist being questioned as well..
But make no mistake when you have the number of assists he had and possibly Rossi will have ... (need more time played. like another year) I guess they can't all be questioned.   I BELIEVE... and I know someone will know the answer, McAdams had more assists when Canori and Ryan McAdams his brother were around... and they did take a lot of 3's and hit them.   I guess I just feel, the true worth of a point guards assists comes off the pass in the paint, or out of bounds to a cutting player resulting in a lay up.. also the long pass off a steal etc.....  BUT I started a stream of posts for better or worse.. and gave Rossi some air time, so it is what it is.......... Hey Bomber 3 don't stay away too much, you bring a lot to the table.. truly.........    

[fisheralum91]

Cards,
It will take a few wins and a lot of chatter- but Im sure that boob and I will stay on.
Here is hoping that Fisher rebounds from an early season slump and takes the Wendys?
God I cant get used to that --its the chase!

[Ethelred the Unready]

Cards,
It will take a few wins and a lot of chatter- but Im sure that boob and I will stay on.
Here is hoping that Fisher rebounds from an early season slump and takes the Wendys?
God I cant get used to that --its the chase!

Agreed.  The "Chase" part.  Not so much the Fisher part.....

[fisheralum91]

Im not a huge Fisher bball guy, but I know basics.
Im def a Football guy just rooting for his alma mater.
I do hope they have a great season- but right now it seems that they have to right the ship first.

[Bombers798891]

Bear... thanks for your input, it explains a few things. Bomber 798xxxx nice win for the Bombers. Looks like Rossi assists were pretty much that of a point guard. The Bombers did not hit many 3's so as long as all those assists on 2's were the direct result of a basket, and no extra moves required, like cross over dribbels etc. , good for him and the Bombers.  We need the E-8 to start and prove themselves out of Conference.  By the way I recall McAdams assist being questioned as well..
But make no mistake when you have the number of assists he had and possibly Rossi will have ... (need more time played. like another year) I guess they can't all be questioned.   I BELIEVE... and I know someone will know the answer, McAdams had more assists when Canori and Ryan McAdams his brother were around... and they did take a lot of 3's and hit them.   I guess I just feel, the true worth of a point guards assists comes off the pass in the paint, or out of bounds to a cutting player resulting in a lay up.. also the long pass off a steal etc.....  BUT I started a stream of posts for better or worse.. and gave Rossi some air time, so it is what it is.......... Hey Bomber 3 don't stay away too much, you bring a lot to the table.. truly.........    

Hey, we can debate his talent level all we want...all assists are not created equal, and sure, degree of difficulty counts. As I said, my issue wasn't with the idea that Rossi wasn't as good as his assist numbers indicated, but the idea that there was something going on in the sports info department at IC

The system we have is the system we have. We can either take everything at face value or none of it. Barring some sort of direct evidence to the contrary, I don't know why we'd chose to believe that IC's (or Naz's apparently) sports info people weren't on the up and up about things.

And bomber3, you should stick around. As an ex-player, your insight is helpful

[boobyhasgameyo]

Im not a huge Fisher bball guy, but I know basics.
Im def a Football guy just rooting for his alma mater.
I do hope they have a great season- but right now it seems that they have to right the ship first.

I'm kind of in the same boat as 91.  Definitely a football guy, but I used to follow Fisher basketball closely when I was a student (this was during the Sean O'Brien era).  I'm not familiar with any of the current players outside of Kramer...for obvious reasons.  So can I get a quick breakdown?  Is Fisher a fast break team or do they always try and set up the half court offense?  Do they have more of an inside presence or are they perimeter oriented?  Is there a standout player or equal contributions all the way around?  That kind of thing.  Thanks in advance!  

Also I was smited yesterday by some dastardly individual.  My problem is that I posted not only here but on the E8 and OAC conference boards in football.  However I have a feeling it came from here.  Be warned I now have my eye on all of you.  Once Booby's eye is on you...there is no going back.    

[fisheralum91]

+k for my homey booby

[FROMAFAR]

Well put Bomber 798...xxx We have to deal with the system.. of course these stat people are on the up and up. as I stated never meant to question their integrity..and I guess the word "padded" was inappropriate in it's context. I just don't like such a subjective stat to mean that much.  I guess we are all aware of the subjectiveness now, so we keep it in perspective.   Come back bomber 3... never hear much from Naz on the site........Tigerfan where are you?

[bomber3]

Great to see the Bombers continued their DOMINANCE of Cortland basketball.  They have won the past 2 and won all 3 when I was there so that brings the current win streak to at least 5 (can't look right now).  IC has had some good teams recently but right now we own Cortland.  Makes up a tiny bit of the sting from Cortaca. 
Another ridiculous night from the floor from Barera.  He had a few games like this last year if I recall correctly.  Overall, solid road win they needed to have if they have at-large aspirations.  There hasn't been a cupcake on their schedule yet so although 3-2 isn't ideal, it could be worse.  If they put a few more together they'll be right when they want headed into conference play.

[magicman]

Hamilton scores the last 11 points of the game and defeats Utica College 71-60. Tied at 60 apiece with 2:54 left to play, Utica goes 0x6 from the field with 2 turnovers while Hamilton goes 9x10 from the line and 1x2 from the field. Hamilton's Ephraim McDowell leads all scorers with 22 pts (6x10 fg, 4x6 3's, 6x6 ft). Kevin Johnson is the Pioneers top performer with 15 pts (5x13 fg, 3x6 3's, 2x2 ft).

Utica sees their undefeated streak end as they now stand at 3-1.     

[sjfcards]

Looks like Fisher will drop to 1-3 with U of R up double digits with under a minute left. Fisher is struggling to score and is not helping themselves at the free throw line. They cut the lead down to 8 late in the second half, but a couple bad fouls (1 tech on Kornaker down 8 with just over 2 to go) and some bad decisions cost them tonight.

I knew U of R would be a tough draw for Fisher to start the tournament, but hopefully they can get back to 500 with a couple wins this weekend. I still think Fisher is going to be ok this year, but Fisher has to get it going NOW.

Interesting fact. As good as U of R has been (and they have been great) this is there first win at Fisher in 20 years.

[fisheralum91]

Cards- you got some splainin for Booby and me....
Im not buying this bandwagon....
I feel myself reverting to the fooooooooooootba................

[FROMAFAR]

Clearly the Tigers were over-rated in my mind this year. I should know better too.
50 pts...  bad... My starting senior point guard plays 11 min...has 1 assist and 4 t/o.. and commits 3 fouls in 11 min. ......... team turns it over 19 times, has a TOTAL of 11 assists..we shoot 20-62 overall   4-21 from 3  Not sure what we need to do to turn it around... I really think we are not that good, and looking to finish higher than 6th in E-8 is stretching it. The only bright spot was Harder- had 13 rebounds... really reaching for a plus.  You all know I feel the point needs to be a leader, gutsy, and basically run the show ( just my opinion) We haven't had that for years now. Carson willed us success to a degree...... We are just not that talented...We have a few athletes, and will win our share in E-8 because of familiarity and it appears so far our big guns, IC and Fisher are not dominant SO FAR..   Naz is quietly taking care of business, so they certainly should be in the mix... I don't see the Tigers being a factor......Am I throwing in the towel too early, you tell me... Look at the Tigers two games... give me a positive  please.  

[boobyhasgameyo]

Cheer up Fromafar....sunny days are ahead. 

+k in lieu of a hug