Empire 8

[Bengalsrule]

Any thoughts on what the starting lineup will be? I am guessing that Gettings will be the 1, and Norsen will be the 5 (Wier as the 2?).

Weir definitly the 2. In the scrimmage the point was a dark haired fella who wore the #20. Dont know if that helps or not SFcards

[sjfcards]

Any thoughts on what the starting lineup will be? I am guessing that Gettings will be the 1, and Norsen will be the 5 (Wier as the 2?).

Weir definitly the 2. In the scrimmage the point was a dark haired fella who wore the #20. Dont know if that helps or not SFcards

Thanks for all of the info. The Fisher webpage has Ryan Kramer (the QB of the Fisher Football team) listed as #20. The guy was a stud in high school, but didn't contribute much last year.

It has been tough to get a read on some of these Fisher teams the past few years. Departures for one reason or another (Harder, Henderson, etc.) has made me rely on youtube and google for most of what I know about these players.

I keep waiting for Fisher to get back to the top of the East Region, but they will need to keep some of this young talent if they are going to get there. After they won the regular season in the E8, and went to the NCAA's as an at large a few years back, I thought they were on their way back, but most (if not all) of that team is gone now. Even the young contributors.

[sjfcards]

Where is everyone?

[fisheralum91]

all i hear is crickets!

[sjfcards]

all i hear is crickets!

Crazy right? At least we have two Fisher fans.

[fisheralum91]

Cards,
Ill be honest, I dont follow BBall like I do Football or even Lacrosse.
I would like them to be good tho!

[sjfcards]

Cards,
Ill be honest, I dont follow BBall like I do Football or even Lacrosse.
I would like them to be good tho!

Fisher will always be above average. I don't know if they will be "good" this year, but I am cautiously optimistic. I like Gettings at the 1, and this Thad Weir looks like the real deal at the 2. Norsen is a quality big man that can score and will make like difficult for other teams. The 3 and 4 spots are the question areas. The starters in the Waterloo scrimmage were Plata (3) and Wrap (4). They are both athletic, but I don't know if they can carry the load night in and night out. Optymistic Kinard (early favorite for name of the year) and several others showed some promise in the last scrimmage.

I also want to find out about this Spencer Dalzell kid. He is a transfer that played for St. Rose last year. He is from Red Hook high school (A very stron high school program), and was recruited higher than most DIII players. He did not play at all in the scrimmage I watched so I am wondering if he is hurt or something else is going on. I can't believe a player like that will not see the floor.

I think they can score, but can they get enough stops to win will be the big question.

[sjfcards]

Still working on the assumption other posters are still out there. Fisher starts tonight. Any way to follow the game online?

[FROMAFAR]

Hey guys I'm still around.  I'll bet your all jumping for joy about that. Tigers are elswhere this year and need to concentrate on them, but will keep an eye on E-8.

I'll make some early guessing on e-8 finish... keep in mind WHAT DO I KNOW?

Hartwick
IC
Stevens
Fisher
Naz
Alfred
Utica
Elmira

I am completely out of the loop, but will try to stay on top........ If RIT were in the conference I would put them between Fisher and Naz........  But there not so who cares.........

[bomber3]

Bombers opened the season last night with a major dud against Hobart, losing by 25+.  I didn't see the game but it appears there wasn't much defense played by the Bombers and apparently not much offense either.  I saw them play last week and the team looked decent, but not great, winning a scrimmage by 3.  Jordan Marcus needs to be their go-to guy this year and has an outside shot at breaking the all-time scoring record, assuming he has better days than yesterday.  Their bigs were solid but they will miss Barera, as most teams would if they lost an all-region player.  Their transfer from Rutgers didn't play much in the scrimmage and was a non-factor.

Overall, they got off to a rough start but this team should be pretty good.  I don't know if they will reach 20 wins but they will be pretty good.  Need to be a lot better than yesterday.  Go Bombers.   

[Bombers798891]

Bombers opened the season last night with a major dud against Hobart, losing by 25+.  I didn't see the game but it appears there wasn't much defense played by the Bombers and apparently not much offense either.  I saw them play last week and the team looked decent, but not great, winning a scrimmage by 3.  Jordan Marcus needs to be their go-to guy this year and has an outside shot at breaking the all-time scoring record, assuming he has better days than yesterday.  Their bigs were solid but they will miss Barera, as most teams would if they lost an all-region player.  Their transfer from Rutgers didn't play much in the scrimmage and was a non-factor.

Overall, they got off to a rough start but this team should be pretty good.  I don't know if they will reach 20 wins but they will be pretty good.  Need to be a lot better than yesterday.  Go Bombers.   

What a disaster. So, I know I'm largely cynical on this board, but I don't see the Bombers doing better than 15 wins.

They've got a great PG, but he's pass-first. The two biggest scorers are almost exclusively perimeter players. Where's the athletic slashing player who can get to the hoop like Rivas and Grier could? Can Christian Jordan really be expected to fill that role? Ithaca has no interior presence, as they were killed on the boards last night (-18)

Defensively...ugh. Look, I'm sure Hobart was hot, but, in very rare cases does a team play good quality defense and contest shots and allow a team to shoot 63%/72%. This team does not have the horses to allow 90 points a game and win. Oztemel's too streaky, Jordan hasn't established himself on the offensive end yet, Mitchell's new to the system...and there isn't enough depth.

Just for comparison's sake, the Bombers' scored 108 and 95 points against Hobart the last two years.

This team has lost a ton of athleticism. Grier and Cruz were all over the floor and provided a nice balance to Marcus and Oztemel's outside gunning. And Barera outworked everyone getting up and down the court. Unless things change drastically, where are the wins coming from? You're closer to the program than me Bomber3, so I'll defer to your wisdom if you see things differently, but I see a return to the 15-10/14-11/13-12 squads of yesteryear

[bomber3]

Bombers opened the season last night with a major dud against Hobart, losing by 25+.  I didn't see the game but it appears there wasn't much defense played by the Bombers and apparently not much offense either.  I saw them play last week and the team looked decent, but not great, winning a scrimmage by 3.  Jordan Marcus needs to be their go-to guy this year and has an outside shot at breaking the all-time scoring record, assuming he has better days than yesterday.  Their bigs were solid but they will miss Barera, as most teams would if they lost an all-region player.  Their transfer from Rutgers didn't play much in the scrimmage and was a non-factor.

Overall, they got off to a rough start but this team should be pretty good.  I don't know if they will reach 20 wins but they will be pretty good.  Need to be a lot better than yesterday.  Go Bombers.   

What a disaster. So, I know I'm largely cynical on this board, but I don't see the Bombers doing better than 15 wins.

They've got a great PG, but he's pass-first. The two biggest scorers are almost exclusively perimeter players. Where's the athletic slashing player who can get to the hoop like Rivas and Grier could? Can Christian Jordan really be expected to fill that role? Ithaca has no interior presence, as they were killed on the boards last night (-18)

Defensively...ugh. Look, I'm sure Hobart was hot, but, in very rare cases does a team play good quality defense and contest shots and allow a team to shoot 63%/72%. This team does not have the horses to allow 90 points a game and win. Oztemel's too streaky, Jordan hasn't established himself on the offensive end yet, Mitchell's new to the system...and there isn't enough depth.

Just for comparison's sake, the Bombers' scored 108 and 95 points against Hobart the last two years.

This team has lost a ton of athleticism. Grier and Cruz were all over the floor and provided a nice balance to Marcus and Oztemel's outside gunning. And Barera outworked everyone getting up and down the court. Unless things change drastically, where are the wins coming from? You're closer to the program than me Bomber3, so I'll defer to your wisdom if you see things differently, but I see a return to the 15-10/14-11/13-12 squads of yesteryear

I think they will be better than that.  You are right though that they will not have much of a defensive presence.  Ross, Oztemel and Marcus don't play much defense, which is a troubling thought.  That being said, they have a point guard that can contend for the all-time assist record and a shooter that can break the school's scoring record.  If Mullins can get them to rebound and defend a little, they will be just fine.  Your prediction is in the 13-15 win range.  Mine is in the 16-9/17-8/18-7 range.  We will see.

[sjfcards]

Hey guys I'm still around.  I'll bet your all jumping for joy about that. Tigers are elswhere this year and need to concentrate on them, but will keep an eye on E-8.

I'll make some early guessing on e-8 finish... keep in mind WHAT DO I KNOW?

Hartwick
IC
Stevens
Fisher
Naz
Alfred
Utica
Elmira

I am completely out of the loop, but will try to stay on top........ If RIT were in the conference I would put them between Fisher and Naz........  But there not so who cares.........

I can't argue with this too much, but do think Fisher is going to be better than 4th in the league. A few weeks ago, not so much, but I have been impressed with what they have brought in this year. Thad Weir looks like the real deal, and Kinard is going to be a starter before long. They are a young team, but Kornarker is a good coach, and will have them playing well come conference time.

[FROMAFAR]

After IC's performance I may be over-rating them a bit....... I laos could be overating Stevens and underating NAZ...IC hasn't played defense ina few years, and they may even be worse this year... They don't have as much fire power as before, they could drop a few pegs. Stevens is not deep, and they play hard D which could cause fould trouble, and without Sabatinio.........what happened to him..I thought he was going to fill in for Franklin and bring Stevens up a notch??
NAZ... I don't know. I didn't like them last year and they are the same.....I know  year older... maybe make the top 4. I think it's Hartwick's to lose....... Good offense adequate defense.... I'll stay with my predictions however. It will be inetersting to see if Rossi has as many assists this year as the last two. He got an assist for every basket in the past, so with less points he drops off..............JUST KIDDING BOMBER GUYS...let's not start that again....remmber What do I know?

[magicman]

Oswego State holds off Ithaca 74-71.