Empire 8

[UCgrad45]

No need for second-guessing when the President of your own country has abandoned a major city (see rejection of the Baker Bill), most can catch that on their "first guess." This state is going to resemble a 3rd World Country for next 20 years and don't tell me he isn't partially to blame for such.

Actually, if you look into the history of the state and city, you will find that the local and state governments have been democrats, and extremely corrupt. There was money that was supposed to go to making the levees strong enough to withstand a level 5 approved several times. Somehow, that money never made it there, and the public officials mysteriously lived well above their means. This went on for over a century. In fact, in the hurricanes aftermath, one of the democrat legislators in the city forced national guard troops to go to his house, and wait outside for almost an hour while he collected his personal belongings. These are the stories that we rarely hear in our mainstream media, because they contradict the agenda we have forced down our thorats on a daily basis.

Even more interesting was the finding that Katrina was not a level 5 when it hit NO. It was down to a level 4.

[fisheralum91]

Superman,
It happened on a weekly basis!
When you went into east roch to the bars Fisher had theirs and Naz had theirs- and never the two shall meet.  Too bad too- some of those Naz chicks were hot!!!

[gobombers15]

UCgrad, if you go back and look at my posts from yesterday you'll see I said it wasn't ALL his fault. I understand the history of New Orleans government and the corruption it entails. Money that should have gone to levee improvement never found its way there cannot be blamed solely on Dems or Republicans. They learned a very hard lesson.

However, my argument is that the President doesn't recognize the magnitude of the problem down here. Just because it isn't on the news 24 hours/day, doesn't mean that things are alright. He said 163 words of 5,300 word speech about the problems on the Gulf Coast? Are you joking? THIS should have been the crux of his address, not some mention-in-passing, "we're gonna get it done" paragraph. The federal response has been haphazard at best and an utter failure at worse. To say otherwise, is an absolute joke. The President denied a bill(Baker bill) that passed in Congress. This bill would have put life in the region's economic infrastructure. Instead, W essentially signed the region's death certificate for the near future.

Anyways, this isn't a forum for this talk. Most intriguing games this weekend:

1)Fisher v. Utica
2)Ithaca @ RIT

I think those are probably the four E8 tourney participants.

[tigerfan2]

While I think the conversation on the Gulf Coast, New Orleans, and the President in general is an interesting one (lord knows Bamm could write a few pages on the subject himself), I'm more interested in games for this weekend.

Will Utica be able to come back to Rochester and get a win vs. Fisher? I have to image that the Alfred/SJF is the toughest road trip in terms of travel for Utica. If Alfred gives UC any trouble at all, will they be able to bounce back vs. what should be a rested SJF (because they are going to kill Hartwick)? I think Utica will be up for this game, but I think Fisher gets by at home.

As far as the Ithaca vs. RIT game, RIT has been playing pretty well as of late, and Ithaca is not the same team on the road. If Fran Snyder can continue is return to "Evil Fran" form, I think RIT pulls this one out as well.

[rjcarter8]

GB15, I agree with your assessment of the weekend games, though I'm sure MadHawk  will disagree, because he knows Hartwick is going to start its run to the NCAA Division III championship with a victory over Fisher Friday.

Gee, I wonder how big the booyah will be this time.

[bamm]

Over the last three and a half seasons Fisher is 41-2 at their place.  I think I'll take the Cardinals, and by a comfortable margin.

By the way, the two losses were to Naz this year and Hamilton to end their '02/'03 season.

The RIT / Ithaca game should be more enjoyable.  If the Tigers continue their hot shooting I don't see them losing at home.  I'll take them by 5.  

Still unproven against good competition on the road, I would say Utica should worry about Alfred on Friday night, but what gives with the Saxons being taken to the wire by Elmira?  

UCGrad:  "Even more interesting was the finding that Katrina was not a level 5 when it hit NO. It was down to a level 4. "

I'm struggling to figure out why that's interesting.  Does that mean GB15's fridge is going to come in sooner?

[rjcarter8]

Bamm,

I'll give you a two word answer to your Alfred-Elmira question: Bad Coaching.

[bamm]

That answer doesn't suprise me.  Alfred seems to consistently have good talent and a poor record.

[tigerfan2]

Poor coaching is Alfred's MO.

A few years back they had the most talented team in the league (Downey, Docteur, Stortini, etc.) and couldn't get it done. They did have some injuries but they never seemed to put a great season together. Pretty depressing for Alfred fans, probably a blessing for the rest of the league.

[col]

tigerfan, any year that Reggie Shore was in the league they could have only been considered the second most talented team.  But yes, I'll give them that.

[ricco1]

Everyone is talking how much Fisher will kill Hartwick,I think the two games are so important to Fisher that they my be under alot of pressure and both games may be close. I really think they will win both games,I will be there.

[gobombers15]

Fisher can sleepwalk through the Hartwick game and win by 25. My early lines for this weekend's games (home team in CAPS)

Friday

FISHER -22.5 vs Hartwick
Utica -6.5 @ ALFRED
Ithaca -5 @ NAZ
RIT -24 vs Elmira

Saturday

ALFRED -8 vs Hartwick
NAZ -15.5 vs Elmira
RIT -7 vs Ithaca
FISHER -4.5 vs Utica

[fisheralum91]

GB15,
I like the vote of confidence against wick, but I'll put the line at 15.
I like Fisher at home over Utica by 6 because the road ain't been kind to UC.

[JQV]

Poor coaching is Alfred's MO.

A few years back they had the most talented team in the league (Downey, Docteur, Stortini, etc.) and couldn't get it done. They did have some injuries but they never seemed to put a great season together. Pretty depressing for Alfred fans, probably a blessing for the rest of the league.

Man this is the understatement of the year.  Devin Downey was incredible.  How they didn't walk through the league every season they had him was always beyond me.

[gobombers15]

My picks for this weekend:

Friday

Fisher 84  Hartwick 61
Utica 69  Alfred 65
RIT 82  Elmira 60
Ithaca 74  Naz 68

Saturday

Alfred 70  Hartwick 64
Naz 83  Elmira 72
RIT 72 Ithaca 66
Fisher 75  Utica 65