Empire 8

gobombers15 · February 22, 2006, 06:31:35 PM

Well, we'll see. I don't see why a conference would place their conference tournament during a schoolday/workday when it could be so easily avoided. Not even mentioning the stupidity of the financial consequences of such a decision, I don't think a conference that preaches "academics first" as much as the E8 does would do that (see not allowing public schools into the conference under any circumstances). I talked to a girl on the IC women's team earlier and she said her understanding is the women's semis were on Saturday. That comment comes less than 48 hours than they would allegedly be on the floor for their game.

I'd understand it more if the games were Saturday/Sunday, but not four games on Friday.

ricco1 · February 22, 2006, 07:48:29 PM

The mens game will be on wysl 1040am. I would think pregame at 615. If fisher wins final it will be on the net. If you go to Fishers web sit you can click on listen live. They may do the game on sat. even if Fisher isn't playing. Not going Friday night ,but will be there for Sat. match up only if Fisher is in it.

ricco1 · February 22, 2006, 08:01:20 PM

All games will be broadcasted. If you go to www.empire8.com it gives you everything.

Jukebox Hero · February 22, 2006, 08:02:24 PM

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 05:09:58 PMAlso, it would make no sense to schedule games during the day on Friday. First, for some schools it's a midterm week. Second, nobody would go to the games because everyone would be at work or at school.

I'm actually kind of upset that I'm a Fisher student, not only do they schedule the games during when I have classes and work, they are going to charge me $3 for EVERY Fisher game....so that means if Fisher wins both Friday games, I'm going to have to pay $12 to watch both Fisher teams for the weekend.....I realize they need the gate money, but can't we even get a discount rate for the weekend?? Give me a break.

the bird man · February 22, 2006, 09:27:15 PM

Yeah, a pass that would allow you all 6 games for the weekend at a discounted price would be a good idea.

oh well I will probably spend the money to go anyway...although I really think Fisher should be the primetime game...it just makes no sense to do anything different...oh well

GO CARDS

the bird man · February 22, 2006, 09:29:50 PM

on another note...when was the last time the E8 had 2 teams in the top 5 in the region, and SUNY had only one...I can't think of one.

gobombers15 · February 22, 2006, 09:58:37 PM

Wow, what a joke this all-day session on Friday thing is. I hope someone in the E8 office or Fisher athletic department gets an earful for this.

It is so unnecessary to play all 4 semi-finals in one day, let alone on a weekday. Sure, it's only the women's game that people are missing, but I honestly think the Fisher/Ithaca women's game will be one of the most competitive and exciting games of the weekend. Unfortunately, Ithaca will have about 25 fans in attendance for that game and they'll all be parents. What a joke.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but if Fisher did have some say in when the games were, does anyone else notice that 5 of the 8 teams in the two tournaments played on Tuesday night (Ithaca men & women, Utica men & women, Elmira women) Two of the three teams that didn't play Tuesday and had a chance to rest were the Fisher men and women and the RIT men. That's a pretty quick turn-around that certainly gives an advantage to a well-rested team, two of which happen to be Fisher's teams.

Just from a financial standpoint (little-to-no attendance for the Friday afternoon games) and considering the feasible and, more importantly, better alternatives, I have no clue why or who chose to do this. Stupid idea by all involved. I have half a mind to write Mitrano right now and see who's behind this. In fact, I might.

AUPepBand · February 22, 2006, 10:17:26 PM

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 09:58:37 PM
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but if Fisher did have some say in when the games were, does anyone else notice that 5 of the 8 teams in the two tournaments played on Tuesday night (Ithaca men & women, Utica men & women, Elmira women) Two of the three teams that didn't play Tuesday and had a chance to rest were the Fisher men and women and the RIT men. That's a pretty quick turn-around that certainly gives an advantage to a well-rested team, two of which happen to be Fisher's teams.

I know that basketball is somewhat different than football, but I don't necessarily see much of an advantage in rest time. It was a well rested Fisher football team that got beat up by AU...the Cardinals could have used a week to heal their wounds after that but instead had to tackle RPI. And both the Seahawks and Steelers were "flat" after the week's layoff provided for media hype.
After 25 games with some weeks of Tues.-Fri.-Sat. games, these guys should be ready to go. But of course, AU isn't going anywhere.

JQV · February 22, 2006, 10:28:38 PM

Just to clear some things up:

GB15: I think, well I know, you got carried away. There are no economic considerations or conspiracy theories on the tourney dates.

Both tournaments are on Friday/Saturday because the final conference call for the selection committee is at 2 p.m. Sunday. The E8 elected not to play on Sunday any more so the tournament would be over long before the conference call based on their (pie in the sky) hope of getting a Pool C selection. Pat, correct me if I am wrong, but I remember you being an advocate of leagues not playing title games on selection sunday. Is that right?

As for the women's early start, that is the only way it works if both tourneys are at the same site. See Feminists below.

Fish91: Your alma mater didn't lose out on the "prime time spot." They chose to play in the early game. The host school picks which slot to play in. I am assuming they want the extra two hours of rest. Hard to blame them for that. Few things are harder than games in back-to-back days. Any ex-hoop players on this board can back me up on that.

Feminists: Not to worry, no one put the women first and the men last. The E8 bylaws say that, should one school host both tournaments the women will play first in even numbered years (2006) and the men will play first in odd number years.

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away. Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).

gobombers15 · February 22, 2006, 10:45:31 PM

Thanks, Jose. I wasn't 100% serious about a conspiracy theory, hence why I qualified it before I started on it. How do you know all this E8 info, Jose? I find myself navigating the website for long periods of time just to locate tiebreakers.

The world, or at least this board, is a better place when there are more Bombers posters.

That's classic how they actually wrote such a rule in the bylaws about which gender gets to play first in what years. Unfortunately, I think such good faith is negated when you think how the women always have to play first in the league. Damnit, having one of the leading advocates in the nation for Title IX as one of my advisors is rubbing off on me too much.

gobombers15 · February 22, 2006, 10:49:54 PM

Quote from: joseqviper on February 22, 2006, 10:28:38 PM

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away. Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).

Of course, that's why we love this board. That Robinson comment is fantastic. To top it, when I was a Junior, there was a rumor circulating that several NFL Scouts were in attendance to see Brian Bicher play. The best part: he was the punter! I later heard he got invited to the combine. Do punters even go to the combine?? If by "combine" people meant "behind the bar at The Bear Lodge," then yes, Bicher went to the combine.

That last comment probably got my ass kicked next time I go to the Bear Lodge. Oh well, it won't be for awhile.

JQV · February 22, 2006, 11:08:07 PM

Quote from: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: joseqviper on February 22, 2006, 10:28:38 PM

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away. Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).

Of course, that's why we love this board. That Robinson comment is fantastic. To top it, when I was a Junior, there was a rumor circulating that several NFL Scouts were in attendance to see Brian Bicher play. The best part: he was the punter! I later heard he got invited to the combine. Do punters even go to the combine?? If by "combine" people meant "behind the bar at The Bear Lodge," then yes, Bicher went to the combine.

That last comment probably got my ass kicked next time I go to the Bear Lodge. Oh well, it won't be for awhile.

Ironically this one is not so fanciful. While he didn't go to the combine he did have a private workout with the Giants and, if I am not mistaken, got invited to their camp (possibly two years in a row).

You don't have to worry about getting beat up behind the Bear Lodge, it got shut down. I noticed at the Fisher game this fall.

gobombers15 · February 22, 2006, 11:52:17 PM

Good thing the Giants went with Jeff Feagles.

You bring up a true point, Jose. The sportscasters definitely sniff around in here to get some extra news tidbits. I was listening to the first IC/Cortland game and the play-by-play guy returned from a break with "welcome back to the Ben Light Gymnasium or, as I like to call it, 'The Bulb.' "

Well, I nearly had a heart attack for a couple reasons. First off, being the founder of the nickname "The Bulb," I was like a proud papa watching his firstborn go on to fame and riches. Little did I know such ubiquity would come to the nickname "The Bulb," when I created my original posting name, "Not In The Bulb." However, I was a little offended. I did not appreciate this announcer intimating that "The Bulb" was his creation. I took offense when he said "as I like to call it." Considering I had never heard of this kid in my life, and he wasn't within the group of friends that went to IC basketball games, I reasoned he must of read it in here at some point.

I have since been plotting my revenge, searching for the perfect time to fabricate a story in here that will prompt him to recite as his own on the largest possible stage. Well that time has arrived, friends. I am fairly certain he will be calling the IC/Utica game this Friday evening; he tends to be calling the bigger games of late, despite his theivery and overall lack of inciteful diologue on-air.

I need the help of others, though. What is an untrue story that he may read about tomorrow night while he prepares for Friday's game and searches through here. Give me some topics. Here's what I have so far:

-Ray Bryant, when not attending classes or playing basketball, is the city of Utica's most beloved midwife. He recently set a February record by aiding in the birth of over 75 infants. The name of his service is "Ray Ray's BayBay's."

John McGraw · February 23, 2006, 12:34:54 AM

The SUNYAC runs their mens and women's tournament semifinals on Friday and has for the last few years. The men and women usually alternate between who plays the early games on Friday. This year, the men get the first session at the AUD at 1:00 PM and 3:00 PM. The women play in the evening session at 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. The title games are broken up the same way on Saturday, with the men first, and then the women.

It makes for a really long day on Friday and for the students, its hard to get to the early games. But, if the tournament was more spread out, would it generate more money and have more fans? I think its more economical to have the tournament all on two days. Say you're playing at a non-campus site. If you add that extra day, you're paying all of the building costs for the third day when there's just one game. Probably the same issues on campus, but not a lot of the extra expenses an off-campus site might have. But, I can see the other side of it in spreading the tournament out so everyone gets a chance to be in the spotlight. Not to mention giving the team's who played earlier in the week a chance to rest.

Thankfully, there's broadcasters that are able to make it to these week day games. That way, those of us who might be at work during the early semifinal can listen on the computer at a low level LOL. Empire 8 men will be triple covered with WYSL, WICB and possibly Sports Stars. Count in the same three hopefully for the women's side.

GB, the initials of this particular announcer....BB perhaps?

Javaman · February 23, 2006, 12:35:03 AM

Hey everyone, I'm a Cortland and St. John Fisher fan! Which one do you think could get the #1 seed in the region when seedings come out on Sunday? Also Fisher fans, will you guys go through what you went through last year if you are the #1 seed again, and playing again on the road during the Sweet "16"? I thought that was complete BULL! I'd like to read everyone's responses. Thanks.