Empire 8

UCgrad45 · December 11, 2006, 02:52:22 PM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on December 11, 2006, 02:46:48 PM
I didnt see the WPI game but against Fisher all 4 games, neither of them did he play great and score alot, he may have gotten 20 in one of them, however, the game was already out of hand and most were garbage points off put backs or free throws. But enough talk about Ray, hes a very good player, and one of the best in the league, so theres no point in arguing over how good he is.

He tore it up against WPI and Gordon. The 6'10 and 6'9 kids at WPI really didn't do very much. Gordan was interesting because with Lighthall being out, both teams were pretty much 5 guard lineups with some tall F/G that were talented.

hooplafan · December 11, 2006, 05:19:32 PM

so how has Baltz looked for Fisher this year?

sjfcards · December 11, 2006, 06:07:33 PM

Quote from: hooplafan on December 11, 2006, 05:19:32 PM
so how has Baltz looked for Fisher this year?

I have not really made up my mind about Baltz yet...He has been pretty consistent...7-10 a night. I think he has shown a lot of potential for the future but I am not sure if he is going to be a key guy for Fisher this year...Maybe later in the season when he gets more comfortable with the size and strength of college players.

I think he will be a great player for Fisher in the comming years

AUPepBand · December 11, 2006, 06:17:54 PM

Quote from: gobombers15 on December 09, 2006, 02:55:58 PM
Now that Fisher's football season is finally over (and congrats on a great season), it's time to really focus on hoops in the E8. Here are my pre-conference season picks:

7) Alfred (4-10): Add a "historically underachieving team" to "has less talent than the last two years" and this is what you get. Saxons have a nice frontcourt with Stein, et al. I think they lose some early games in the conference season and pack it in from there, as they usually do.

8) Elmira (0-14): Whatever.

'Twas gracious of you, GB15, to keep the Saxons one step above the cellar. Off to a typical 2-6 start....Coach Murphy uses the fall semester start to prep his team for a run at the E8 in spring semester.

sjfcards · December 11, 2006, 06:46:02 PM

How is Alfred going to be this year? I feel like I have a handle on most of the teams in the league except for them...I feel like I never know what to expect out of AU

AUPepBand · December 11, 2006, 09:55:04 PM

Guess it really depends on the kids. AUPepBand thinks highly of Dillon Stein, Ryan Clemenson, et al...but it wouldn't be fair for Pep to comment at present, having not yet seen them play. Saxons are 2-6. While the student newspaper has the usual Jay Murphy comment-laden story of "what AU must do," AUPepBand looks to the 2006-07 season as a test of the players' ability to rise above the same old mediocre situation.

tigerfan2 · December 12, 2006, 08:58:29 AM

If AU wants to rise above the same old medicore situation they need to get rid of their same old medicore coach.

No one has wasted more talent in the E8 than Jay Murphy, and it's not even close.

JQV · December 12, 2006, 09:14:25 AM

Quote from: tigerfan2 on December 12, 2006, 08:58:29 AM
If AU wants to rise above the same old medicore situation they need to get rid of their same old medicore coach.

No one has wasted more talent in the E8 than Jay Murphy, and it's not even close.

I'll second that. Devon Downing was probably the best player to play in the Empire 8. The year they had Downing and EJ Docteur they not only should have won the league but made a deep run in the tournament. Downing was incredible.

FisherDynasty · December 12, 2006, 10:59:37 AM

Disagree, Carl Jefferson for Fisher was the best player to play in the E8, too bad he only played a semester before he dropped out with a 0.0 haha. This kid could have played big time D1, he woulda been the probably the best guard in the MAAC.

JQV · December 12, 2006, 11:18:34 AM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on December 12, 2006, 10:59:37 AM
Disagree, Carl Jefferson for Fisher was the best player to play in the E8, too bad he only played a semester before he dropped out with a 0.0 haha. This kid could have played big time D1, he woulda been the probably the best guard in the MAAC.

I'll admit that I have no clue who he is. Downing was a major d-1 type player as well. Only thing that must have limited his opportunities was his height. He was probably about 5'10 at best.

tigerfan2 · December 12, 2006, 12:57:20 PM

Jefferson was very talented but he was terrible for team chemistry. Fisher actually played better the 2nd semester after he failed out.
I believe that Fisher lost to Alfred because Jefferson took all the shots and tried to beat Downing head to head but in the rematch Fisher won because they played team basketball.
And as far as previous Div I players, didn't Maroney from Naz play Div. I before playing for Naz.

FisherDynasty · December 12, 2006, 01:01:39 PM

Yeah Jefferson wasnt the best team player but he was by far the most talented. It just seemed to easy for him, he could get whatever shot whenever he wanted. Yes, Maroney start for San Diego State before transfering to Naz. However, Maroney is no where near one of the best.

rjcarter8 · December 12, 2006, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: sjfcards on December 10, 2006, 11:01:11 AM

My prediction for the E8 season:
1)Fisher
2)Utica
3)Naz
4)Ithaca
5)RIT
6)Alfred
7)Hartwick
8)Elmira

I seems a little harder to predict the league this year...picking 1 & 2 was tough, but I am sure it will be those 2 teams in some order...but the rest of the league was a lot harder to predict than previous years.

You're one of the few people that has Hartwick behind AU. The Saxons will never amount to much in the E8 as long as Murphy is leading them. He knows how to misuse his players and keep studs like Stein from developing as they should. He also has no idea what he's doing on the sidelines, it's almost like he thinks the louder he is the better his players will play, never mind that his instruction leaves a lot to be desired.

As for the two teams this year, AU is 2-6, with wins against Hilbert, 79-77 in OT and Allegheny, 73-57. Among the teams they've lost to are Moravian, NYU, Cortland, Geneseo, Potsdam and St. Lawrence.

While Hartwick's schedule has been a bit of a cakewalk (to put it mildly), the Hawks are 7-2, with losses coming against Hamilton (78-67) and Elms (73-68). While Hartwick doesn't really have any notable wins (maybe Oneonta and Skidmore), they do have 7 wins.

I think the rest of the predictions are on except I'd flip-flop Fisher and Utica. I know SJF has been tops in the league for some time, this is somewhat of a younger team and the more experienced Utica team will edge the Cardinals because of that.

rjcarter8 · December 12, 2006, 01:08:09 PM

Quote from: joseqviper on December 12, 2006, 11:18:34 AM

I'll admit that I have no clue who he is. Downing was a major d-1 type player as well. Only thing that must have limited his opportunities was his height. He was probably about 5'10 at best.

Jose,

Downing's drinking problems, which led him to leaving AU for a while, also probably would have made him a D-I bust.

JQV · December 12, 2006, 01:14:20 PM

Quote from: rjcarter8 on December 12, 2006, 01:08:09 PM
Quote from: joseqviper on December 12, 2006, 11:18:34 AM

I'll admit that I have no clue who he is. Downing was a major d-1 type player as well. Only thing that must have limited his opportunities was his height. He was probably about 5'10 at best.

Jose,

Downing's drinking problems, which led him to leaving AU for a while, also probably would have made him a D-I bust.

Having played against him you could tell he was troubled but, I didn't want to speculate as to what those troubles may have been so I stuck with his height. If he did have a drinking problem that could have kept the D1 offers away.