Empire 8

[DirkDiggler]

I really think I'm dumber now for reading all of PostUp's crap.  PostUp just because you were picked last throughout elementarty school doesn't make it okay for you to attempt to sound intelligent.  Go back to playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[gobombers15]

At what point do you stop disparaging or shrugging off a person's accomplishments for the lack of support surrounding him? Dude averaged 37.5 pts/game this weekend on the road against two solid teams (Naz, RIT). He singlehandedly keeps them in a lot of games. As I said, I can see how the award could be given to Bryant/Herring, but to deem Cocozziello unworthy simply because he plays on a bad team isn't right. I understand that if some of you Fisher guys had your druthers, no players who didn't finish on an elite team (Read Fisher, Utica) would make any of these teams, but you have to accept a person's accomplishments for what they are.

Yeah your right GB 15, a player on a team that has one win and who's average loss against an E8 opponent in the opening round is 14 should def be considered POY...I mean he really keeps them in those games, almost to within single digit losses...Look Coco is a good player and he had a tremendous weekend.  I do not think that in all my years around the E8  I have witnessed someone avging 37.5 ppg in a weekend but still hes far from being considered POY...and if we are going on points why hasn't Canori's name been mentioned in POY...hes putting up the same amount of points and his team is doing terrible 2 so by your logic it should be coco and canori in the running...heck lets even throw in whoever the leading scorer from elmira's team in the mix so it can be a three way battle

Your posts are ridiculous. Again, you do exactly what I've said you've been doing the entire time, you use Hartwick's TEAM success, or lack thereof, to discount Cocozziello's accomplishments. Thank you for proving my point. I agree with you that losing games by an average of 14 points per isn't great, but can you imagine how much they'd probably lose by if you replaced him with an average player? 25? 35?

While your attempt at belittling my logic is quite admirable, it is unfortunate that most of your Fisher-related, myopic posts lack foundation and rationale. Your Canori analogy is quite erroneous and here's why. Canori has a supporting cast; in fact, he has two players (Tyler Smith, Corey McAdam) who are far better than anything Cocozziello has. Let me explain something to you, when a team has multiple scorers, it's hard to hone in on just one; whereas when a team has one threat, you can throw two players at him and not worry about the consequences (as every team has done so far with Hartwick).

Saying he was a front-runner for POY was based on his play so far, of late, and a projection as to how he will do in the second half of the season. Frankly, I think I backed my position up quite nicely. You CANNOT continue to make TEAM arguments about INDIVIDUAL awards, which is exactly what you're doing. I understand that, as a Fisher fan, you want the awards to go primarily to the players on the best teams because, as a Fisher fan, you believe that would entail most of the players on your team. However, that is not the way those awards work. By the way, it was cute how you tried to change my words around and say only good players on bad teams should be considered when you said I should throw Elmira's leading scorer in there, too. If you took a second to look over my post, instead of throwing a tantrum when I didn't list one of your Fisher guys as a POY contender, you would have seen nobody from Elmira got any recognition.

[superman57]

GB15 you can't possibly tell me that if you have coco with ubsurd stats and only 2 or 3 league wins and Bryant or Herring or anyone on a winning team with good decent stats that you give it to Coco....remember this year in the AL the best player in the league was a guy by the name of Pronk or Travis Hafner who had incredbile numbers but because he was on a really bad clevland team he had no shot at being MVP...and basketball is more of a team sport than baseball...in basketball often times one player can trully make a difference...so obviously coco's stats are part of his teams lack of success

[sjfcards]

I think that both lists are farely accurate, nothing is set in stone as of you except that Ray will make the first team and I definantly think herring should make it on there...mueller and mcsweeney will vie for first or second team and it will be interesting to see if canori or lil mcadam makes the 1st...I will say that with the numbers that Jan should probably make first if they get more wins but to consider him player of the year with his team having 1 conference win is a little farfetched...IF/probably when Utica wins the league, either Herring or Bryant should get it not someone from a bottom feeding team...However that could all change if hartwick goes undefeated the second time around (not likely)

At what point do you stop disparaging or shrugging off a person's accomplishments for the lack of support surrounding him? Dude averaged 37.5 pts/game this weekend on the road against two solid teams (Naz, RIT). He singlehandedly keeps them in a lot of games. As I said, I can see how the award could be given to Bryant/Herring, but to deem Cocozziello unworthy simply because he plays on a bad team isn't right. I understand that if some of you Fisher guys had your druthers, no players who didn't finish on an elite team (Read Fisher, Utica) would make any of these teams, but you have to accept a person's accomplishments for what they are.

I completely agree...it is Player of the year, not MVP. The MVP would probably have to be the guy on the team you would think. But a player of the year should be the guy who outperforms/outproduces everybody else. I agree wins are important, but this is an individual award.

[sjfcards]

I was wondering what peoples thoughts were about the E8 having two teams in the tourny this year? Seemed a little far fetched last night when I thought about it, however, lets assume that Fisher and UC each lose one more game to each other (be it regular season or e8 finals) that would leave both teams with very good records.

If Fisher loses to UC in a few weeks and then beats them in the tourny...Fisher would have the AQ, but how can you leave UC out with a record like 25-3 or 4. that would seem tough to do to me.

And if Fisher wins out in the regular season and losses in the conference finals, they would still have a record of like 23-5. That record, a good in region record, with a history of winning the past few years?

I find it hard to believe that the league has two tourny teams this year, but the records will be what they will be. It seems to me that Utica has done enough at this point in the season that if they finish strong and lose the AQ they could still get in. Has Fisher? A little food for thought.

[gobombers15]

GB15 you can't possibly tell me that if you have coco with ubsurd stats and only 2 or 3 league wins and Bryant or Herring or anyone on a winning team with good decent stats that you give it to Coco....remember this year in the AL the best player in the league was a guy by the name of Pronk or Travis Hafner who had incredbile numbers but because he was on a really bad clevland team he had no shot at being MVP...and basketball is more of a team sport than baseball...in basketball often times one player can trully make a difference...so obviously coco's stats are part of his teams lack of success

Travis Hafner doesn't play the field. Same reason that Ortiz won't win it. He's purely a hitter. He's not the best "player" in the AL and I have two friends that are Cleveland fans that would probably agree.

[superman57]

player of the year is a player who makes his team better...is coco really making hartwick better and if he is than boy hartwick sucks even more than I thought... and this is tough I'm arguing for someone from UTICA of all places to win POY and yes POY and MVP are the same thing with different names in my opinion the poy should also be the MVP and likewise 

right now with the stats half way thru

coco averages 23.9 points per game and isn't in the top ten for any other major stat

Hering averages 4.14 assits

coco shoots 45% and herring shoots 51%


so right now just thru stats it's herring

[FisherDynasty]

SJFCards,

I agree, I think we will get two teams in the tourny again this year.  if Fisher and Ithaca have each lose another game they will both def get in, I think they can both even afford to lose 2 more games.  So unless Fisher drops another odd one or two then they should be in, same with Utica.

[AUPepBand]

SJFCards,

I agree, I think we will get two teams in the tourny again this year.  if Fisher and Ithaca have each lose another game they will both def get in, I think they can both even afford to lose 2 more games.  So unless Fisher drops another odd one or two then they should be in, same with Utica.

You meant Utica, right?  Ithica Utaca Uthaca Itica Itchica Uthica ...I can see how they can very easily be mixed up. 

Oh heck, AUPepBand can't get enough "editing" for a week that he has to go on the D3 boards and edit there, too. +k anyway!

[FisherDynasty]

yes, sorry about that.

[sjfcards]

SJFCards,

I agree, I think we will get two teams in the tourny again this year.  if Fisher and Ithaca have each lose another game they will both def get in, I think they can both even afford to lose 2 more games.  So unless Fisher drops another odd one or two then they should be in, same with Utica.

You meant Utica, right?  Ithica Utaca Uthaca Itica Itchica Uthica ...I can see how they can very easily be mixed up. 

Oh heck, AUPepBand can't get enough "editing" for a week that he has to go on the D3 boards and edit there, too. +k anyway!

Pep...bravo...you have been on top of your game here the past few days...

[FisherDynasty]

you guys have too much time on your hands to be worrying about spelling or miswordings in posts.  1) who really cares enought to correct it, 2) who feels like posting just to correct it.

[superman57]

anyone have any info on utica hartwick

[reelentless]

Utica by 12ish  Bryant high with 24, Herring 21.  Coco had 6, none in the second half.  Tight until Utica went on a run at the end of the first half.  Up by 18 midway through the 2nd half. 

[postup101]

Just got back from Utica@Hartwick basketball game. The game was by far a blow up, like some people had wished. First half Hartwick played very well and stunning Utica. Second half was all Utica. Experience and talent went farther than inexperience and talent tonight. I am preaching to the Choir, but Ray Bryant is a real stud.

If hartwick finishes the season playing like they played in the first half tonight they will find themselves winning games the second half of the season.

I am officially on the Utica bandwagon for the E8 Title.

What is up with Ithaca falling to Oneonta State 68-62. Just a reminder that Hartwick BEAT Oneonta State.