Empire 8

[AUPepBand]

you guys have too much time on your hands to be worrying about spelling or miswordings in posts.  1) who really cares enought to correct it, 2) who feels like posting just to correct it.

Gosh, just Pep poking ... heck, Pep gave you +K Dynasty and this is the thanks he gets?

[FisherDynasty]

haha relax.  thanks pep.

Go bombers who do you think should get player of the year coco with his whopping numbers versus utica and fisher the two good teams in the conference or ray or herrig who consitently put up good numbers on a good team. one more note then this should get put to rest for a while, you keep stressing how coco has no one around him, however, if he is player of the year he needs to make players around him better, ex. jack lighthall, although is solid, he is no where near as good as the numbers he is putting up, you want to know why? 2 guesses ray bryant and doug herrig.

[gobombers15]

haha relax.  thanks pep.

Go bombers who do you think should get player of the year coco with his whopping numbers versus utica and fisher the two good teams in the conference or ray or herrig who consitently put up good numbers on a good team. one more note then this should get put to rest for a while, you keep stressing how coco has no one around him, however, if he is player of the year he needs to make players around him better, ex. jack lighthall, although is solid, he is no where near as good as the numbers he is putting up, you want to know why? 2 guesses ray bryant and doug herrig.

First of all, it takes a man to talk junk about 1 out of 14 games in the conference season. Also, I made it very obvious from my post that the POY could go to any of those three players. I guess you have to nitpick on me since I'm right most of the time, huh Dynasty? So what did his average over the last three games plummet to? 27ppg? Damn, rough stretch. You're a real man, FisherDynasty. Youve just assured yourself I'm going to be in your ear after every good game he plays from here on out. Have any Fisher guys even scored 27 in a game yet this year? (Stock Fisher fan answer: Noooo, because they're so incredibly balanced!) Let me guess, 18 of Fisher's 33 players could put up the type of numbers that Cocozziello puts up at Hartwick, right?

What is up with Ithaca falling to Oneonta State 68-62. Just a reminder that Hartwick BEAT Oneonta State.

Just a reminder...Ithaca took Hartwick behind the woodshed. Any questions, MadHawk?

[postup101]

Just a reminder...Ithaca took Hartwick behind the woodshed. Any questions, MadHawk?

Yes, Hartwick lost to Ithaca by 17. However, it is debateable whether or not it was woodshed treatment. Hartwick lost to Utica the first time around by 18 and then gave then a run last night. Let me remind you that Ithaca lost to Utica by 22 and it was in the Bulb. Ithaca is good, but is no Utica by any stretch. Hartwick will be no pushover for Ithaca on Saturday. Should be a great game. Make sure to bring your popcorn and diet coke everyone!

After watching Andy Goodemote last night, I think he is the best coach in the league. Followed of course by Mr.Kornaker. More on this later

[clearconceit]

Here is what happened last night at the Utica game.  I have to admit that for 16 minutes Hartwick actually looked like a good team.  They were winning by 5 I think when Cocozziello picked up his second foul.  No exageration, I don't think they scored another point without him and infact I am not sure they even got more than a few shots off.
The game completely changed and we went into the lockerroom up 6 instead of trailing.  It was somewhat of a relief (I can't believe I am saying that).
Now how in the hell Hartwick has only 1 league win is a little mystifying except that when I really watched them last night it is exactly what Bomber had stated a few days ago.... they have one guy that is that much better than everyone else.
We had 3 guys on him last night and the fact is nobody else on Hartwick can score.
This argument about the other good players in this league is a joke.  If he had Ray Bryant as a teammate or he had Bostic etc that team would destroy this league.  I really believe that.
I have only seen him play twice this season but he is being asked to play point guard because they don't have anyone to play there.  It is alot to ask, run the team and pretty much have to score because nobody else can score.
The Canori comparison is really an insult.  If you switched the two of them, Hartwick wouldn't have more than 5 wins on the season and Naz would be a title contender because the supporting cast at Naz is THAT much better.
Anyway, it was good win for us.  Doug and Ray were the only guys in double figures and it brings us 1 win closer to being perfect in the league.

Postup - nice game, your team played pretty well.  But you have to admit that your 40% was/is a little off.

[FisherDynasty]

go bombers, you totally missed the point I said look what he has done against FISHER and UTICA, the two teams that most people have a tough time scoring on because they actually play defense.  you obviously also missed the point about him making his teamates better.  I hope you got to sleep alright.

[FisherDynasty]

On another note worth posting about..

Any predictions for this weekend?

[DR. BELLY HOOPS]

Another solid win for Utica last night. They have now won ten in a row and are steamrolling their way through the E8. When Bryant and Herring both go for over twenty you can pretty much strike up the band for the victory song. With a sweep this weekend the mighty Pioneers should crack the top 25. The rest of the E8 should have a round -robin tournament to see who will make the ECAC's this year. -THE DOCTOR

[bamm]

I was wondering what peoples thoughts were about the E8 having two teams in the tourny this year? Seemed a little far fetched last night when I thought about it, however, lets assume that Fisher and UC each lose one more game to each other (be it regular season or e8 finals) that would leave both teams with very good records.

If Fisher loses to UC in a few weeks and then beats them in the tourny...Fisher would have the AQ, but how can you leave UC out with a record like 25-3 or 4. that would seem tough to do to me.

And if Fisher wins out in the regular season and losses in the conference finals, they would still have a record of like 23-5. That record, a good in region record, with a history of winning the past few years?

I find it hard to believe that the league has two tourny teams this year, but the records will be what they will be. It seems to me that Utica has done enough at this point in the season that if they finish strong and lose the AQ they could still get in. Has Fisher? A little food for thought.

If the tournament unfolds according to how the standings are, Utica gets the automatic bid.  You're right in that Fisher will have a gaudy record, especially in region.  However, the folks in charge will always tell you that previous seasons have absolutely no impact on a team's selection for the current season's tournament.  Fisher would be evaluated according to the relevant data against other teams competing for that Pool C spot.

Recent losses by UR (13-5) and NYU (14-4) certainly help the Pool C chances of other teams in the East. 

Brockport (14-4) and Plattsburgh (12-6) are both on a roll right now.  The SUNYAC is pretty messy, but they might be pulling ahead of the pack.  Geneseo is fading.

[gobombers15]

go bombers, you totally missed the point I said look what he has done against FISHER and UTICA, the two teams that most people have a tough time scoring on because they actually play defense.  you obviously also missed the point about him making his teamates better.  I hope you got to sleep alright.

See Clear's post about how they had three guys guarding him. Kinda hard to score with all those guys on you, especially when your teammates aren't hitting shots. You can get the ball to your teammates but if they're misfiring there's not a lot he can do. You're right, Fisher/Utica play defense on him...with several guys. It just so happens that those couple defenders are usually better than Naz or RIT's two defenders that guard him.

Another solid win for Utica last night. They have now won ten in a row and are steamrolling their way through the E8. When Bryant and Herring both go for over twenty you can pretty much strike up the band for the victory song. With a sweep this weekend the mighty Pioneers should crack the top 25. The rest of the E8 should have a round -robin tournament to see who will make the ECAC's this year. -THE DOCTOR

Are you Utica version of MadHawk? I understand you're trying to stir the pot here with the Fisher majority by making a comment about how the other teams should have a round-robin for the ECAC's, but try to be somewhat realistic so that people don't immediately shrug off what you say (like we do to Madha...Postup). Steamrolling, huh? Not sure if I'd describe the Naz or Fisher victories that way.

Whatever drug it is that some of you posters are on that makes you so delusional, can you tell me what it is? I'm tired of reality and I need you goes to help me out. Doctor? Madhawk? Any help?

[FisherDynasty]

Bamm id dont think 21-6 or 22-5 is that guady, Fisher will finish with one of those 2 records.  Win or lose the E8 tournament count them in.  No more then 1 sunyac team will finish with that record, same with the liberty.  dont worry about uofR, the UAA is to tough a conference to keep a good record, if they dont finish in the top 3 (unlikely) they are not in, same with NYU who has been losing as of late.

Go bombers, I read it, and although clear at times can be as erroneous as madhawk, ill take his word for it.

[bamm]

Bamm id dont think 21-6 or 22-5 is that guady, Fisher will finish with one of those 2 records.  Win or lose the E8 tournament count them in.  No more then 1 sunyac team will finish with that record, same with the liberty. 

Gaudy (adjective):  brilliantly or excessively showy.

Dont worry about uofR, the UAA is to tough a conference to keep a good record, if they dont finish in the top 3 (unlikely) they are not in, same with NYU who has been losing as of late.

Don't worry about UofR?  You Fisher fans really have selective memories.  You are quick to brag about old Fisher players and teams, but you forget that the Jackets CRUSHED the Cardinals by 29 this year.  On top of that, Rochester has a knack for pulling out huge wins at the end of the season in that conference.  If Rochester doesn't win their league, and they have a resume that comes close to Fisher, they should get in and Fisher should be in the ECAC's.  They are a better team, in a better conference, and they proved it by smacking Fisher around three weeks ago.

[clearconceit]

Thanks for the support .
Go Fisher, didn't Jan score like 25 in 1 half against you guys last year?  And I saw him dismantle us at Utica earlier this season.  I can remember when Jordan was tearing up the NBA in the mid to late 80's and he was considered a great talent but not the best.  The running joke amongst NBA insiders was that it wasn't even close.  He was so much better than anyone else.  The problem was he had no supporting cast.
His 63 against Boston in the playoffs was amazing, did that make his teammates better?
My point is just that.  When Jordan had Ennis Whately, Brad Sellers, and Sam Vincent he didn't win.  But he was still the best.
Hey I say what I saw last night.  There was 2 to 3 guys always aware of where he was.  His teammates didn't help him.  
My definition of making teammates better would be this:  does the person create scoring opportunities for others.  This kid sucks in 2 or 3 players every time he drives it and when he does hit the open man (usually mutiple guys to choose from) they can't score.
Put him on any other team with the exception of Elmira and that team would be the favorite to win the league in my opinion.

And this is coming from a guy who has 2 studs on his favorite team.

[superman57]

lets also remember that fisher owns a split with uofr....Dr.  Utica is having a good season while the rest of the e8 is in a down year...I mean Fisher is in a rebuilding year and you need double ot to beat them at your house... Trust me if you play like that at fisher there won't even be ot fisher will win...

[FisherDynasty]

He aslo had 4 in the second game against Fisher.  Anyways, Bamm, Im not saying Fisher is better than UofR, im just sayin i would put lots of money on UofR is not having the same record as fisher bc of their tough conference.  That being said no team with 8 losses (maybe 7 but still would be unlikely) will get an automatic bid.  UofR is still a year away therefore will not win there conference this year.  That being said, I think 1 sunyac team will get in, and 1 liberty league team.  Fisher is very young there only going to get better, I think they will knock off utica at home but slip to rit or naz second time around, then maybe lose in the e8 tourny but still will get in.