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[UCgrad45]

UC I never said the WPI or amherst were less crazy...I said that fisher is the toughest place to play in the E8 and I don't think that we can argue that...

The fact is I've stated that because of the Amherst student section that all games from sweet 16 and beyond should be held on neutral sites

It is a tough place to play.... if you let it be. This Utica team seems to thrive off of people jeering them. A lot of why it is tough to play in fisher is how small the gym is. It was a lot harder to play there a few years back when they had the worst rims in the history of basketball. They were stiffer than bill clinton on viagara.

I was just saying, if they could handle WPI in that atmoshphere, and given the close games they had in fisher in the past, then the atmosphere there now isn't as big as deal it used to be. In the past, fisher had the more talented team in the atmosphere. It's not the same equation anymore.

Did you go to the sweet 16 last year? How sweet is the amherst gym? I was impressed with the building.

[UCgrad45]

GB15, thanks for post #1060.  If you didn't say it I would have.  This why the era of Mullinocrity is so irritating to me, said it before and I'll say it again.  IC should own men's hoops in the E8 like they own everything else.  (SJF fans, I know, I know, but do it a couple more times and then you'll have achieved "program" status).

I'll tell you what, the new assistant coach there, nevada, is a good coach. I know him from when I was coaching lacrosse at suny canton. He was a good pick up for them.

[bamm]

They were stiffer than bill clinton on viagara.

That joke was just terrible enough to make me laugh out loud.  Nice work, maybe you should submit your writer's resume to Leno.

Did you go to the sweet 16 last year? How sweet is the amherst gym? I was impressed with the building.

I've been to the Amherst gym, and I don't remember being impressed.  My highschool gym (graduating class: 163) is more impressive, and probably seats more.  Several E8 teams have bigger, better gyms... they just don't have the attendance to make the environment fun.

Seriously. I hate being an alum of the most consistently successful athletic department in the conference. That sucks.

Because I've got 10 minutes to kill, I'll take a look at who's been dominating the men's athletics landscape in each sport since I've been following it (6 years or so).

Basketball:  Fisher
Football:  Ithaca and Fisher
Baseball:  Ithaca
Lacrosse:  Nazareth and RIT
Soccer:  Nazareth, RIT, and Alfred

The E8 doesn't exist as a hockey conference.  But as an alum, I'm not going to miss an opportunity to state that RIT's D1 team is winning their conference and on the verge of cracking the college hockey Top 20 in their 2nd season as a D1 program.

[gobombers15]

honestly caz I think basketball is the one sport at fisher that has acheived the "program" status... I mean look at some of the coaches the mens program has had (Bobby Wanzer) and the womens program is the all time winningest program in DIII and the mens team has had a tremndous amount of success the past 4 or 5 years

But, since you joined IC's conference, Fisher has been second best over the last six or whatever years. Bamm, Ithaca has actually been the class of the E8 in men's soccer. Unfortunately, our team always loses on PK's in the E8 tourney, then gets snubbed for the NCAA's. If you want to consider PK's a true measure of soccer ability then, by all means, do so. I won't be doing that. Also, with the exception of this year, E8 Lacrosse comes down to  two teams: Naz and Ithaca; this isn't even debatable. I also said athletics department, so that includes the ladies, too. I'm just trying to give them equal time.

UCgrad, I think a more apt analogy would be that you're like a Long Beach State baseball fan talking trash to UCLA fans (whose teams are good across the board, in all seasons). Consistently, Ithaca has the best athletics in the conference. Why do you think everyone hates them so much? For god sakes, last year, in Fisher's student newspaper, there was a huge article about how the athletics emphasis HAS to be on beating Ithaca in most sports because they are the benchmark. So, go ahead, enjoy the one sport you're better than us at. By the way, I'm excited for next year when you guys are out of rent-a-players (Bryant, Troy). Let's see how good you guys are then.

By the way, I'm interested to know why you cited the E8 Championship game of 2004 where Fisher only won by a few, compared to the more recent (and likely more relevant because more of the current players were involved) 2006 E8 Final where Fisher mauled you guys? Just wondering. I think I know the answer, but indulge me.

[superman57]

Honestly, and I hate to be the one to say it, had Utica not lucked into two guys in their mid-20's (Troy, Bryant), Utica would be in the same boat of the RIT's and Ithaca's of the conference; scraping out 8-6 conference seasons and hoping to get lucky in the E8 tournament. I really don't think this very arguable. You take those two guys away, Utica has AT LEAST two or three less conference wins over the last few seasons.

Luck, recruiting.... whatever you want to call it.

ok first off

Luck-finding a couple twenty somthings who have not used up their elegabilty

Recruiting-finding a young 18 or 19 year old that you can mold into a type of player to fit your system (I.E. a SOB or a Mike McGee)


and UC are you kidding me with the Amherst Gym...it's nice but I wasn't impressed by it.... they had an oppurtunity to make a larger seating area and chose not to...

and now... 2005-2006 Utica at fisher scores
game 1 82-70
game 2 74-61

2004-2005 80-51

2003-2004 game 1 82-67
game 2  62-59  remember my friends this is after the "fight" so fisher is playing without the McGee brothers

2002-2003 79-70


so in the last 6 games at fisher utica has gotten within 10 twice and in total been out scored 459-378 for an average of 76.5-62 that does not seem like "close" games at fisher

[UCgrad45]

They were stiffer than bill clinton on viagara.

That joke was just terrible enough to make me laugh out loud.  Nice work, maybe you should submit your writer's resume to Leno.

Did you go to the sweet 16 last year? How sweet is the amherst gym? I was impressed with the building.

I've been to the Amherst gym, and I don't remember being impressed.  My highschool gym (graduating class: 163) is more impressive, and probably seats more.  Several E8 teams have bigger, better gyms... they just don't have the attendance to make the environment fun.

Seriously. I hate being an alum of the most consistently successful athletic department in the conference. That sucks.

Because I've got 10 minutes to kill, I'll take a look at who's been dominating the men's athletics landscape in each sport since I've been following it (6 years or so).

Basketball:  Fisher
Football:  Ithaca and Fisher
Baseball:  Ithaca
Lacrosse:  Nazareth and RIT
Soccer:  Nazareth, RIT, and Alfred

The E8 doesn't exist as a hockey conference.  But as an alum, I'm not going to miss an opportunity to state that RIT's D1 team is winning their conference and on the verge of cracking the college hockey Top 20 in their 2nd season as a D1 program.

Don't forget the Utica Hockey programs are tearing it up as well.

[gobombers15]

I repeat, Ithaca has the best Athletic Department in the conference. It's not really close. They are the benchmark.

[UCgrad45]

honestly caz I think basketball is the one sport at fisher that has acheived the "program" status... I mean look at some of the coaches the mens program has had (Bobby Wanzer) and the womens program is the all time winningest program in DIII and the mens team has had a tremndous amount of success the past 4 or 5 years

But, since you joined IC's conference, Fisher has been second best over the last six or whatever years. Bamm, Ithaca has actually been the class of the E8 in men's soccer. Unfortunately, our team always loses on PK's in the E8 tourney, then gets snubbed for the NCAA's. If you want to consider PK's a true measure of soccer ability then, by all means, do so. I won't be doing that. Also, with the exception of this year, E8 Lacrosse comes down to  two teams: Naz and Ithaca; this isn't even debatable. I also said athletics department, so that includes the ladies, too. I'm just trying to give them equal time.

UCgrad, I think a more apt analogy would be that you're like a Long Beach State baseball fan talking trash to UCLA fans (whose teams are good across the board, in all seasons). Consistently, Ithaca has the best athletics in the conference. Why do you think everyone hates them so much? For god sakes, last year, in Fisher's student newspaper, there was a huge article about how the athletics emphasis HAS to be on beating Ithaca in most sports because they are the benchmark. So, go ahead, enjoy the one sport you're better than us at. By the way, I'm excited for next year when you guys are out of rent-a-players (Bryant, Troy). Let's see how good you guys are then.

By the way, I'm interested to know why you cited the E8 Championship game of 2004 where Fisher only won by a few, compared to the more recent (and likely more relevant because more of the current players were involved) 2006 E8 Final where Fisher mauled you guys? Just wondering. I think I know the answer, but indulge me.

There is a reason why those two guys chose UC, and it wasn't luck. It was Coach Goodemote. Those two guys are also not the only reason why UC has done well lately, let's not cut the rest of the guys short. They win as a team, see coco as an example of one player not making a team. Hell, if it was luck, I would imagine we probably would have had it set up so that they were both playing at the same time.

[UCgrad45]

Honestly, and I hate to be the one to say it, had Utica not lucked into two guys in their mid-20's (Troy, Bryant), Utica would be in the same boat of the RIT's and Ithaca's of the conference; scraping out 8-6 conference seasons and hoping to get lucky in the E8 tournament. I really don't think this very arguable. You take those two guys away, Utica has AT LEAST two or three less conference wins over the last few seasons.

Luck, recruiting.... whatever you want to call it.

ok first off

Luck-finding a couple twenty somthings who have not used up their elegabilty

Recruiting-finding a young 18 or 19 year old that you can mold into a type of player to fit your system (I.E. a SOB or a Mike McGee)


and UC are you kidding me with the Amherst Gym...it's nice but I wasn't impressed by it.... they had an oppurtunity to make a larger seating area and chose not to...

and now... 2005-2006 Utica at fisher scores
game 1 82-70
game 2 74-61

2004-2005 80-51

2003-2004 game 1 82-67
game 2  62-59  remember my friends this is after the "fight" so fisher is playing without the McGee brothers

2002-2003 79-70


so in the last 6 games at fisher utica has gotten within 10 twice and in total been out scored 459-378 for an average of 76.5-62 that does not seem like "close" games at fisher

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the whole building. The fieldhouse has a lot of nice features.

Someone had mentioned the conference championship from last year, the one where Utica went in without a center on the roster that wasn't injured.... Apples and oranges. Home court had very little to do with the match up problems. Ray running the 5 against a team with that much height is not the recipe for success.. no matter where you play, Home, road, or neutral.

[bamm]

But, since you joined IC's conference, Fisher has been second best over the last six or whatever years. Bamm, Ithaca has actually been the class of the E8 in men's soccer. Unfortunately, our team always loses on PK's in the E8 tourney, then gets snubbed for the NCAA's. If you want to consider PK's a true measure of soccer ability then, by all means, do so. I won't be doing that. Also, with the exception of this year, E8 Lacrosse comes down to  two teams: Naz and Ithaca; this isn't even debatable.

Actually, it is debatable.  Ithaca has been finishing at or near the top of the standings in soccer and lacrosse (with RIT and Naz).  The difference, RIT and Nazareth have been taking care of business in the postseason tournament, while Ithaca has been choking.


And, with the money Fisher has poured into their football program, the money RIT has invested in afthletics (the huge fieldhouse project, hockey) -- Ithaca's dominance of the conference athletically is ending (and it's being seen in the results). 

Alfred has a good thing going on with their football program as well.  That stadium is beautiful and it looks like their coaching staff is recruiting.

I also said athletics department, so that includes the ladies, too. I'm just trying to give them equal time.

You're a staunch Title IX defender!  Your significant other must be very proud of that.

[superman57]

I will say Ithaca has had the best athletic department...but I don't see them staying on top for much longer as fisher gains confidence in football...the lacrosse programs aren't bad anymore so fisher is definatly coming up but Ithaca right now can say that they have had the best AD

[clearconceit]

I'll be the first to say that we have been lucky with those 2 guys.  In fact i would even take it a step further, if we didn't land those 2 we may in the bottom half of the league over the past few years.  But with that being said, we did get them and we are now the best team.

Luck - Hardwork - whatever you want to chalk it up to, it is what it is.  In my opinion recruiting to the rochester schools and Ithaca have to be easier than what Hartwick, Elmira, Alfred, and we face.  So I'll take anyway we can get em!

[superman57]

sorry clear your not the best team till you win a league championship....

[gobombers15]

Bamm, if you want to call losing in PK's a "choke job," be my guest. I think our men's team has won all, or all but one, of the E8 regular season titles. By the way, Ithaca is also building a huge athletics facility. Now, they won't have to only recruit with tradition.

[FisherDynasty]

sorry to take you off on your high horse gobombers but you can have your baseball (who split with fisher this year) and SOCCER. But fisher has basetball and has taken control of football without a debt and it looks as if they will be dominating for a long time now, the only reason ithaca had it before was bc fisher was a brand new program, but its over now.  So be happy and keep bragging about your dominance in sports that no one cares about at d3 schools haha.