Empire 8

[JQV]

One thing that I don't understand, that I haven't seen or heard anyone doing yet (if someone has seen this, what were the results?) -- full court press Fisher for an entire game.  Especially the teams that play a lot of guys like Utica and RIT.

They lose a 3 year starter at point and replace him with Mueller, who is a nice shooter but is not half the ball handler SOB was, and a freshman. 

Doesn't Brockport play a press?

[gobombers15]

One thing that I don't understand, that I haven't seen or heard anyone doing yet (if someone has seen this, what were the results?) -- full court press Fisher for an entire game.  Especially the teams that play a lot of guys like Utica and RIT.

They lose a 3 year starter at point and replace him with Mueller, who is a nice shooter but is not half the ball handler SOB was, and a freshman. 

Doesn't Brockport play a press?

They do. They had a lot of success in their first meeting but Fisher was ready for it the second time around and limited their mistakes. Hence, the different results.

[fisheralum91]

good guard play can nullify that pretty quickly!

[dewcrew88]

I was sure he threw a few in that game. Fisher turned the ball over like four times in that game.

Ithaca won the overtime coin toss and elected to play defense on the first series. The Cardinals gained 16 yards on four plays before sophomore Nick Suchyna (St. Francis/Buffalo) threw his first career interception ? a pass that Struzzi picked off at his own nine and returned 91 yards for the winning score. Suchyna entered game ranked third nationally in passing efficiency and had thrown 107 passes this fall without an interception.


would you like to eat crow now or later

I don't think it has anything to do with "eating crow" trying to recall a game from almost 18 months ago without the aid of looking anything up. Bottom line, your young QB had a two-TD lead in the 2nd half and didn't get the job done; the same way Juvan didn't get it done this year. And, with all due respect, I don't think they asked Suchnya to throw a pass longer than 8 yards that entire game. It was all bubble screens to Noah and hitting the RB's in the flat.

Adam, good to have you aboard. Nobody has a problem with someone being a "homer." It's when they let that favoritism affect the way they think instead of analyzing things objectively. We have a couple of those people in here and I'm sure you already know who they are. You seem to have facts backing up all your arguments and that's all anyone can ask for. That is preferred to those who nitpick and take potshots when they can. Again, good to have you here and it will be nice to hear from a (somewhat) objective Utica fan (though, Clear and UCgrad have been better, relative to last year). However, this Doctor guy is insane.

Just for the record, I would like to consider myself a pretty objective fan of Utica College athletics.

[fisheralum91]

for the record. you have been very even keel on tyour posts and articles.

Def not a homer

[bamm]

One thing that I don't understand, that I haven't seen or heard anyone doing yet (if someone has seen this, what were the results?) -- full court press Fisher for an entire game.  Especially the teams that play a lot of guys like Utica and RIT.

They lose a 3 year starter at point and replace him with Mueller, who is a nice shooter but is not half the ball handler SOB was, and a freshman. 

Doesn't Brockport play a press?

They do. They had a lot of success in their first meeting but Fisher was ready for it the second time around and limited their mistakes. Hence, the different results.

Brockport does indeed.  Good example.  I wasn't at either game, but from the looks of the play by play and box, I don't think it played out like GB15 suggested (I'm pretty sure he wasn't there either  ).

In the first matchup Fisher had 22 turnovers.  In the second they had 19.  Not that big of a difference.

What is a big difference is the number of fouls on Brockport.  16 in the first versus 24 in the second.  This affects a lot of the BPort's games given thier high intensity D.  Both games were close.

I'm also guessing Fisher, at least the coaching staff, was prepared for the press each time.  Brockport has been doing it for years.

[gobombers15]

Budcrew, I wasn't referring to you. I had kind of forgot about you (sorry) as I haven't been over on the football boards recently, you don't post in here, and you didn't post too often during the football season because of your ATR column. My bad.

[JQV]

One thing that I don't understand, that I haven't seen or heard anyone doing yet (if someone has seen this, what were the results?) -- full court press Fisher for an entire game.  Especially the teams that play a lot of guys like Utica and RIT.

They lose a 3 year starter at point and replace him with Mueller, who is a nice shooter but is not half the ball handler SOB was, and a freshman. 

Doesn't Brockport play a press?

They do. They had a lot of success in their first meeting but Fisher was ready for it the second time around and limited their mistakes. Hence, the different results.

Brockport does indeed.  Good example.  I wasn't at either game, but from the looks of the play by play and box, I don't think it played out like GB15 suggested (I'm pretty sure he wasn't there either  ).

In the first matchup Fisher had 22 turnovers.  In the second they had 19.  Not that big of a difference.

What is a big difference is the number of fouls on Brockport.  16 in the first versus 24 in the second.  This affects a lot of the BPort's games given thier high intensity D.  Both games were close.

I'm also guessing Fisher, at least the coaching staff, was prepared for the press each time.  Brockport has been doing it for years.

+k for research.

now who smited the Chairman?

[superman57]

Bamm I have to disagree, Fisher doesn't lose at home often and they have already beaten RIT twice and while both games were within 10 this is a fisher team that I think gets more dangerous as the season goes on.  and I just don't see them losing to naz at home two years in a row...and utica  I think will win the e8 championship over fisher but will have 1 conference loss and that will be at fisher...

[bamm]

You're disagreement is welcome, and not exactly shocking. 

I said after watching Fisher early this season a couple of times that they would not win the E8 this year.  I know Fisher has been great at home in the last several years, but you sound like it's impossible for them to lose there.  This year's team is obviously not as good as the last few seasons. 

Brockport has already beaten them there in December.  I think someone else will as well.

[gobombers15]

Actually, there are different types of turnovers, as we all know. The worst kind lead directly to hoops. That is what Fisher limited. They didn't throw the ball away in the backcourt as much this time (at least according the one write-up I saw of the game). A travelling in the frontcourt isn't nearly as harmful as a cross-court pass that gets intercepted and leads to an easy hoop. I think Fisher limited the latter in the second game.

[superman57]

ok first off someone hates me my karma just dropped 4 points...second it's always possible for anyone to lose any game...the brockport game was the first game of the season....but no excuses...I see the utica game being close but Utica did not overly impress me when I listened to the first game...so I think for that home court will make the difference

[bamm]

Actually, there are different types of turnovers, as we all know. The worst kind lead directly to hoops. That is what Fisher limited. They didn't throw the ball away in the backcourt as much this time (at least according the one write-up I saw of the game). A travelling in the frontcourt isn't nearly as harmful as a cross-court pass that gets intercepted and leads to an easy hoop. I think Fisher limited the latter in the second game.

Come on, you're actually going to make statements like that about a game you weren't at, didn't watch, and were 1500 miles away from?  The lengths some guys go to defend something they said... it's like you're training to be a lawyer or something...

[dewcrew88]

Budcrew, I wasn't referring to you. I had kind of forgot about you (sorry) as I haven't been over on the football boards recently, you don't post in here, and you didn't post too often during the football season because of your ATR column. My bad.

No problem GB15. I just  think it's a great thing that we are starting to get posters from all the conference schools involved on this website.

+K for you.

[gobombers15]

Actually, there are different types of turnovers, as we all know. The worst kind lead directly to hoops. That is what Fisher limited. They didn't throw the ball away in the backcourt as much this time (at least according the one write-up I saw of the game). A travelling in the frontcourt isn't nearly as harmful as a cross-court pass that gets intercepted and leads to an easy hoop. I think Fisher limited the latter in the second game.

Come on, you're actually going to make statements like that about a game you weren't at, didn't watch, and were 1500 miles away from?  The lengths some guys go to defend something they said... it's like you're training to be a lawyer or something...

Actually, I think that was Kornaker's quote in the D&C. Something to the effect of not giving them easy hoops off their press. I wouldn't presume to make an opinion on the game, otherwise.