Empire 8

[gobombers15]

Jose (I mean the Chairman) said he wanted my involvement on these boards, so here I am. Hmmm... I don't really have much to say... oh, one thing is that the commercial the kid from IC pitched sucks balls, and is so original I think I've seen one just like it in like the last seven super bowls... but that's the Park School for you. (No offense to the chairman, GB, or any other parkie alum that this obviously doesn't apply to. Make your "max power was a music student" jokes any time now.)

FD, get real about Fisher taking football away from Ithaca. Ithaca has been the king at football since saying "get real" was cool. Fisher is a better team right now, and by right now I mean while Robinson has still technically not graduated. That being said, IC graduates some hella good defensive players, but I'm just now realizing this is not a topic for this board, which is probably why I don't post here very much. As far as all around sports, do I need to pull out the Director's cup standings from the last 10 years? Do I really need to?

(OK you can stop with the music student jokes now. Seriously. I take it back.)

Between the comments and the treeemendous signature, that might win the "Obnoxious Post of the Year" award (and believe me, with the Fisher guys, it's got competition).

Bamm, I thought that was a pretty funny post by Max. The signature is quality, too.

[Adam the Bull]

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

I am the broadcaster for Utica College....so my loyalties are to that school and those fans....but as I said despite my rooting interest...I always call the game as I see it...so the broadcast should be enjoyable for all listeners (at least if there team is winning).

[gobombers15]

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

Pat, reread Bamm's post. I think what he's saying is that everybody who tunes into a D3 hoops game expects the local broadcasters to be homers. Not that Utica will not generate any interest on the national scene.

[UCgrad45]

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

I am the broadcaster for Utica College....so my loyalties are to that school and those fans....but as I said despite my rooting interest...I always call the game as I see it...so the broadcast should be enjoyable for all listeners (at least if there team is winning).

Adam even tells us when there was a bad call that helped Utica. 

[Adam the Bull]

I have been a long time reader of the D3 Hoops message boards but until now have chosen not to participate. The reason....I am the play by play man for the Utica Pioneers and during Tuesday night's men's victory over Hartwick I mentioned the Player of the Year debate taking place on this message board...so I figured it was time to chime in. This is my fourth season with Utica College and before that I attended SUNY Brockport and broadcasted their games for four seasons, so I have seen plenty of D3 hoops over the past decade. I say this not to brag or to claim that I know more then anyone else here...just to let you all know where I am coming from. I have enjoyed the many debates that I have seen in this thread and the trash talking as well.

I plan on now becoming an active member of the board and if you guys are interested I can give an analysis of the games I call (or not if no one cares what I have to say). For those who have not heard my broadcasts, I will admit...I am a homer....but even though it is obvious who I am rooting for on the air I believe I always make fair comments when it comes to the game action....and don't just always say it is a bad call when the Pioneers get called for fouls.

Just wanted to check in on a few subjects for now...

1-Player of the Year- To tough to call right now. Because it is Player of the Year and not MVP I would not discount Jan Cocozziello just because his team is not in the mix. However, I would lean towards either Ray Bryant or Doug Herring (I know, I know...what a homer) but honestly they have to be the favorites. I have thought long and hard about which of the two I would put first and for now I think it is dead even (lame answer I know). I think the last 6-games will break the tie.

2-Toughest Home court-There is no debate it is St. John Fisher...I get nervous walking in there and I don't even play. When school is in session that gym is an almost impossible place for a visiting team to pick up a victory. By the way according to St. John Fisher S.I.D Norm Kieffer, I have called more Cardinal games (Football, Men's Hoops, and Women's Hoops) then any other opposing broadcaster.

3-Best Sports Programs-I hate to say it but the answer is Ithaca. They dominate or at least in the mix in almost every sport.

4-Hatred of St. John Fisher and Ithaca-As a Brockport Alum...I actually hate SUNY Cortland more then any other college. I don't hate Fisher at all (although I am not thrilled with Football Coach Paul Vosburgh...who I believe has ran it up on UC in the past). Ithaca....hmmm...I respect the school and the sports programs there...but I often get the feeling when I am there that many of the students and faculty have their noses in the air. I'll leave it at that.

5-UC lucking into Ray Bryant and Tim Troy-While I agree the Pioneers were very lucky to have both of those excellent player...they made there own luck because of Coach Goodemote. Had he not been the coach both of those players likely never lace it up for the Pioneers.

6-This years Pioneers-vs.-last years Pioneers-While the losses of Justin Cichon
and Willie Lucas were big I do not believe last year's team was better. Right now I would have to say this year's squad is slightly better. I think they are slightly weaker from the perimeter but much better in the paint and defensively. I believe conference wins no matter what the margin are quality especially on the road. However, the Pioneers do have more to prove before we call them a juggernaut.

In closing (man have I babbled on for a long time) let me just say it is hard to break down a team when you have only seen them play one time this year...which many of you and I have done so far. To say the Pioneers are not that good based on their one game with Fisher (in which they were weak offensively....mostly because of great Fisher Def) but great defensively would be an injustice. Ithaca was terrible in their game versus the Pioneers but I won't condemn them off that one game (although I probably did to my friends later that day).

If I missed some topics I'm sure I will get to it at another time. Let the attacks begin!

Welcome. That guy that hooks you up with the starting lineups circled on the program before games is the man.

Except when he fails to show up for road games...because his wife is supposedly having a baby...lol.

[Pat Coleman]

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

Pat, reread Bamm's post. I think what he's saying is that everybody who tunes into a D3 hoops game expects the local broadcasters to be homers. Not that Utica will not generate any interest on the national scene.

I read it, thanks. I am saying we should expect better than blatant homerism. There are many quality local D-III basketball broadcasters who are not homers -- one who does games in your own conference. (JC DeLass comes to mind immediately.)

[UCgrad45]

I have been a long time reader of the D3 Hoops message boards but until now have chosen not to participate. The reason....I am the play by play man for the Utica Pioneers and during Tuesday night's men's victory over Hartwick I mentioned the Player of the Year debate taking place on this message board...so I figured it was time to chime in. This is my fourth season with Utica College and before that I attended SUNY Brockport and broadcasted their games for four seasons, so I have seen plenty of D3 hoops over the past decade. I say this not to brag or to claim that I know more then anyone else here...just to let you all know where I am coming from. I have enjoyed the many debates that I have seen in this thread and the trash talking as well.

I plan on now becoming an active member of the board and if you guys are interested I can give an analysis of the games I call (or not if no one cares what I have to say). For those who have not heard my broadcasts, I will admit...I am a homer....but even though it is obvious who I am rooting for on the air I believe I always make fair comments when it comes to the game action....and don't just always say it is a bad call when the Pioneers get called for fouls.

Just wanted to check in on a few subjects for now...

1-Player of the Year- To tough to call right now. Because it is Player of the Year and not MVP I would not discount Jan Cocozziello just because his team is not in the mix. However, I would lean towards either Ray Bryant or Doug Herring (I know, I know...what a homer) but honestly they have to be the favorites. I have thought long and hard about which of the two I would put first and for now I think it is dead even (lame answer I know). I think the last 6-games will break the tie.

2-Toughest Home court-There is no debate it is St. John Fisher...I get nervous walking in there and I don't even play. When school is in session that gym is an almost impossible place for a visiting team to pick up a victory. By the way according to St. John Fisher S.I.D Norm Kieffer, I have called more Cardinal games (Football, Men's Hoops, and Women's Hoops) then any other opposing broadcaster.

3-Best Sports Programs-I hate to say it but the answer is Ithaca. They dominate or at least in the mix in almost every sport.

4-Hatred of St. John Fisher and Ithaca-As a Brockport Alum...I actually hate SUNY Cortland more then any other college. I don't hate Fisher at all (although I am not thrilled with Football Coach Paul Vosburgh...who I believe has ran it up on UC in the past). Ithaca....hmmm...I respect the school and the sports programs there...but I often get the feeling when I am there that many of the students and faculty have their noses in the air. I'll leave it at that.

5-UC lucking into Ray Bryant and Tim Troy-While I agree the Pioneers were very lucky to have both of those excellent player...they made there own luck because of Coach Goodemote. Had he not been the coach both of those players likely never lace it up for the Pioneers.

6-This years Pioneers-vs.-last years Pioneers-While the losses of Justin Cichon
and Willie Lucas were big I do not believe last year's team was better. Right now I would have to say this year's squad is slightly better. I think they are slightly weaker from the perimeter but much better in the paint and defensively. I believe conference wins no matter what the margin are quality especially on the road. However, the Pioneers do have more to prove before we call them a juggernaut.

In closing (man have I babbled on for a long time) let me just say it is hard to break down a team when you have only seen them play one time this year...which many of you and I have done so far. To say the Pioneers are not that good based on their one game with Fisher (in which they were weak offensively....mostly because of great Fisher Def) but great defensively would be an injustice. Ithaca was terrible in their game versus the Pioneers but I won't condemn them off that one game (although I probably did to my friends later that day).

If I missed some topics I'm sure I will get to it at another time. Let the attacks begin!

Welcome. That guy that hooks you up with the starting lineups circled on the program before games is the man.

Except when he fails to show up for road games...because his wife is supposedly having a baby...lol.

I heard that he won't be able to go the home games this weekend because she could go any day now.

[Adam the Bull]

I heard that he won't be able to go the home games this weekend because she could go any day now.
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Great news...good luck to him.

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

Pat, reread Bamm's post. I think what he's saying is that everybody who tunes into a D3 hoops game expects the local broadcasters to be homers. Not that Utica will not generate any interest on the national scene.

I read it, thanks. I am saying we should expect better than blatant homerism. There are many quality local D-III basketball broadcasters who are not homers -- one who does games in your own conference. (JC DeLass comes to mind immediately.)

I agree...JC is very good....We have different styles...it would be boring if we all called games the same way. I get no complaints from my target audience.

[bamm]

Adam, I caught your work on the Utica/Fisher game a couple of weeks ago.  I thought you did a nice job.  It sounded like there was a decent crowd there as well.  There's no arguing you're a homer (as is your color guy), but I don't think anyone tuning in to a division III Utica College basketball contest expects anything else.

I'd disagree. With Utica in the national picture there will be more than just Utica fans following games.

Pat, reread Bamm's post. I think what he's saying is that everybody who tunes into a D3 hoops game expects the local broadcasters to be homers. Not that Utica will not generate any interest on the national scene.

I read it, thanks. I am saying we should expect better than blatant homerism. There are many quality local D-III basketball broadcasters who are not homers -- one who does games in your own conference. (JC DeLass comes to mind immediately.)

I see where you're coming from, Pat.  My point is that no one should be surprised if the guy calling the game for local Utica radio has a bit of a bias.  When I can't turn into a Braves or Yankees national broadcast without getting the same thing, I'm not going to damn Utica College.

[sjfcards]

There is usually a little home town flavor at the division III level. I think JC Delass is a quality broadcaster, but the bull does pretty well.

I can tell he is pulling for UC, but it is not to the point where I want to turn the radio off. At times if feels like I have a friend to argue with while I listen to the game

[UCgrad45]

Can you believe that Coach Goodemote got another older guy with eligibility?

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6429134?MSNHPHMA

[UCgrad45]

I can't decide which will be the closer score, hartwick vs. elmira or fisher vs. naz.

[superman57]

utica-ithaca

[superman57]

Utica's next star player (Ray Bryant's younger brother)

[UCgrad45]

utica-ithaca

Should be around a 15 point difference.

Seriously, fisher naz seems to always be close just because they hate each other so much. Hartwick and Elmira both have a long way to go... While the quality of game will be far apart, I bet both games will be close.