Empire 8

[FisherDynasty]

gobombers, 1) your annoying 2) i hardly ever give stats in my posts anyways 3) u said it yourself, elmira.


anyways, i dont really care who the best team in the conference is, either way, there close, and all that matters is the tourny.  Until then, im done arguing about whos the best, time will tell.  Like i said before, if utica beats fisher at home, and wins the e8 tourny ill think they're the best and wish them luck in the tourny.

[gobombers15]

gobombers, 1) your annoying 2) i hardly ever give stats in my posts anyways 3) u said it yourself, elmira.


anyways, i dont really care who the best team in the conference is, either way, there close, and all that matters is the tourny.  Until then, im done arguing about whos the best, time will tell.  Like i said before, if utica beats fisher at home, and wins the e8 tourny ill think they're the best and wish them luck in the tourny.

Yeah, I mean, I'd hate it if people pointed out all the dumb things I said, too. Annoying? Ok, bud, sure. You wanted to rub it in my face when Coco had six points and I'm just giving a little back to you. You can dish it but can't take it, huh?

I think RIT gives Fisher a tight game tomorrow. We'll see.

[FisherDynasty]

if your read the point of my post he doesnt do it against the good teams (Fisher, Utica).  my brother with one arm is better then elmira.

[Pat Coleman]

no fight...they forgot to update the page fisher wins 69-61

In order to have the Live Stats go final the statkeeper has to remember to finalize the game or something, a step many many schools forget to do.

I used to wonder the same thing until an SID who knows better filled me in.

[clearconceit]

Ok ok ok ok we are not going undefeated.  Too bad, it would have been fun.
Ithaca outplayed us last night plain and simple.  Have to give them credit.
Onto today
Winners will be
Ithaca
Fisher
Alfred
And of course US

No real shockers last night in my opinion.

[AUPepBand]

Pep observes a trend based on 2007 conference play (far short of scientific research standards), leading one to theorize that the Ithaca Bombers play very well on Friday nights, followed by a let-down on Saturday afternoons.

Pep cites the following:

Fri., Jan. 12  IC 74, Hartwick 57
Sat., Jan. 13  Utica 85, IC 63

Fri. Jan. 19   IC 75, Naz 68
Sat. Jan. 20  RIT 90, IC 84

Fri. Jan. 26   IC 68, AU 57
Sat. Jan. 27   Fisher 88, IC 59

Fri. Feb. 2   IC 70, Utica 68 (OT)

Were Pep a gambling man, he'd pick the Bombers to fall to the homestanding Hartwick Hawks today. But, thank God, Pep is no gambling man (or he'd be a poor man indeed) ....Pep thinks the Bombers will win.

[superman57]

no fight...they forgot to update the page fisher wins 69-61

In order to have the Live Stats go final the statkeeper has to remember to finalize the game or something, a step many many schools forget to do.

I used to wonder the same thing until an SID who knows better filled me in.

Pat I realized that is probably what happened... but when you get fisher naz in a place like varisty gym with intentional fouls at the end of a heated game...you get worried

[sjfcards]

ithaca wins by 2.

No gloating because Utica is still the best team in the conference. Gutsy performance by the Bombers coming off the thrashing at Fisher and the loss to O-State. A lot of character to take a dagger like Bryant's shot with 1 second remaining and regulation and still come out strong in OT. I'd say the team that has that happen to them usually loses about 80% of the time in OT. Good win, hopefully this will help Ithaca turn the corner.

If IC loses to Hartwick, this win means nothing. According to Postup, there's a 55% chance that IC will lose to Hartwick, so who knows. Looking WAY down the road, this loss may hurt Utica in a tiebreaker with Fisher if that ends up taking place.

[sjfcards]

ithaca wins by 2.

No gloating because Utica is still the best team in the conference. Gutsy performance by the Bombers coming off the thrashing at Fisher and the loss to O-State. A lot of character to take a dagger like Bryant's shot with 1 second remaining and regulation and still come out strong in OT. I'd say the team that has that happen to them usually loses about 80% of the time in OT. Good win, hopefully this will help Ithaca turn the corner.

If IC loses to Hartwick, this win means nothing. According to Postup, there's a 55% chance that IC will lose to Hartwick, so who knows. Looking WAY down the road, this loss may hurt Utica in a tiebreaker with Fisher if that ends up taking place.

It was a good deal for Fisher that Ithaca pulled out that one. Utica is still in the drivers seat for the tie breaker if Fisher beats them. The AU loss to RIT made sure of that. Ithaca will probably finish ahead of AU in the final standings. If that is the case then UC would win the tie breaker because of that rediculous tie breaker the E8 has.

If Fisher can beat UC and AU can find a way to beat Ithaca next weekend, then Fisher may have a shot at the tourny being at Varsity gym.

[sjfcards]

Does anyone know what the situation will be if Ithaca and AU finish with the same record in the conference? AU is one game back from Ithaca as of today.

Is the tie breaker the same to determine which team gets into the tourny? and, What will that do to the tie breaker for first place?

[bamm]

sjfcards,

I believe the first tiebreaker is head to head, then it moves to record against the worst of the conference, moving up the standings to break the tie. 


This might reinvigorate (or finally end) a nearly dead debate, but here's the Commissioner's Cup standings from '06, through the Fall Sports -- copied directly from the E8 website. 

School	Points	Possible	Percentage
Ithaca	94.7	120	.789
RIT	70.8	90	.787
Naz	75.3	105	.717
Fisher	44	75	.587
Alfred	45.6	105	.434
Utica	44.2	120	.368
Hartwick	34.8	105	.331
Elmira	24.2	75	.323

Obviously, the percentage column is how the standings are sorted, on account of some schools not competing in every sport.

[UCgrad45]

sjfcards,

I believe the first tiebreaker is head to head, then it moves to record against the worst of the conference, moving up the standings to break the tie. 


This might reinvigorate a nearly dead debate, but here's the Commissioner's Cup standings from '06. 

School	Points	Possible	Percentage
Ithaca	94.7	120	.789	RIT	70.8	90	.787	Naz	75.3	105	.717	Fisher	44	75	.587	Alfred	45.6	105	.434	Utica	44.2	120	.368	Hartwick	34.8	105	.331	Elmira	24.2	75	.323

Somewhere along the line after head to head it goes to point differential between the tied teams as well. I am not sure when that applies.

[superman57]

so I think we can all agree that if some how ithaca and alfred and fisher and utica end up tied then we are in  for a weird couple of days as we try to figure out who hosts...and by the way why wouldn't we go to overall record

[gobombers15]

so I think we can all agree that if some how ithaca and alfred and fisher and utica end up tied then we are in  for a weird couple of days as we try to figure out who hosts...and by the way why wouldn't we go to overall record

Incentives for cupcakes? Different teams play different OOC schedules. As stupid as point differential would be to determine a tiebreaker, it would be stupid if one team got to host because they scheduled a team like Bard while the other team scheduled Rochester. I think tiebreakers are always weird, in one way or another, but it's the next best thing besides making the team play a tiebreaking game. Teams won't have to worry about it if they just don't let another team tie them.

[gobombers15]

Pep observes a trend based on 2007 conference play (far short of scientific research standards), leading one to theorize that the Ithaca Bombers play very well on Friday nights, followed by a let-down on Saturday afternoons.

Pep cites the following:

Fri., Jan. 12  IC 74, Hartwick 57
Sat., Jan. 13  Utica 85, IC 63

Fri. Jan. 19   IC 75, Naz 68
Sat. Jan. 20  RIT 90, IC 84

Fri. Jan. 26   IC 68, AU 57
Sat. Jan. 27   Fisher 88, IC 59

Fri. Feb. 2   IC 70, Utica 68 (OT)

Were Pep a gambling man, he'd pick the Bombers to fall to the homestanding Hartwick Hawks today. But, thank God, Pep is no gambling man (or he'd be a poor man indeed) ....Pep thinks the Bombers will win.

It has been a quirky season, for sure. How about RIT 0-4 at home in the conference, and 4-0 on the road. That doesn't happen too often.