Empire 8

tigerfan2 · February 06, 2007, 02:01:48 PM

Quote from: Adam the Bull on February 06, 2007, 12:59:40 PM
Quote from: tigerfan2 on February 06, 2007, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: gobombers15 on February 06, 2007, 10:21:10 AM
It'll be interesting to see if Goodemote can keep Utica as one of the top two teams in the league. I think the coming years will see a lot of parity in the league after Utica loses Bryant. In fact, aside from Utica, there seems to be a logjam between the next five teams. I even include Naz on that list because it's obvious they have great talent but they can't seem to win a close game to save their lives and have blown more 2nd half leads than we can even get into right now. There is a lot of young talent in this league right now and it'll be interesting to see whose rises to the top.

In no way am I saying that Utica won't be able to be one of the elite teams. Herring has a couple years left and Goodman/McClendon seem like they're both going to grow into quality bigs in this league. Goodemote also seems like he can go out and pick up other players to come in and help the program like Troy and Bryant. I'm just saying that with so many teams that will have seemingly equivalent talent levels, it's going to be an interesting couple of years. I don't necessarily think that it will be a guarantee that the league will always come down to Fisher and Utica.

Another thing that could prove interesting in the next couple years is if Goodemote stays at Utica. I haven't heard anything to indicate that he might leave but given the work he's already done he definately seems like he would be a good candidate for a bigger name program looking for a new coach.

Just for an example, and we can even keep it in the league, what if Naz got rid of Daley and brought in Goodemote. Nothing agaist UC but I would think that Naz is a more attractive job for a coach given the location (Pittsford vs. Utica) as well as a recruiting base and the compensation he would be likely to receive.
It's also scary to think how good Naz could be with all that talent they have and with a good coach leading them.
Again, just an example.

Tiger Fan...I would have to say that there is no chance Coach Goodemote would take the Naz job...I dont think he would move west of Utica anytime soon. He lives east of Utica....and is not likely to move....not to mention he has built something good at UC and I dont think he would leave the gig for a lateral move.

Adam, I was just throwing Naz out there as a hypothetical, my point was that if he got offered something bigger would he leave. Since he lives east, what if a team like Amherst or Williams came calling?

I wasn't saying that Naz should fire Daley and offer him the job (although firing Daley wouldn't be a bad start), I'm saying if something else came along, should UC be concerned he would leave.

John McGraw · February 06, 2007, 02:42:21 PM

I agree with Adam. It doesn't make sense to go from one Empire 8 school to another. Even if Nazareth is in a bigger area and Pittsford is nicer than Utica.

If anything, Division III coaches that want to move up usually go to Division I programs as assistant coaches. For example, few years ago GP Gromacki developed a great program at St. Lawrence. They went to the women's national title game in 2001 against Stevens Point. Later, Gromacki left St. Lawrence and took an assistant coaches job at Temple. Though, he eventually went full circle and now he's back in the Liberty League, at Hamilton. That obviously wasn't in his mind when he went to Temple.

There's a handful of coaches that have gone from the Division III ranks to a Division I assistant coach. Or, they become head coaches at mid-major D-I's and then gradually move up to the big show, like Wisconsin's Bo Ryan.

But, for this situation, I don't see Goodemote moving anytime soon. He's developed a good program at Utica and why leave a winner for the time being? I'd be thinking more that Kornaker would move on before Goodemote.

Adam the Bull · February 06, 2007, 03:11:15 PM

Quote from: John McGraw on February 06, 2007, 02:42:21 PM
I agree with Adam. It doesn't make sense to go from one Empire 8 school to another. Even if Nazareth is in a bigger area and Pittsford is nicer than Utica.

If anything, Division III coaches that want to move up usually go to Division I programs as assistant coaches. For example, few years ago GP Gromacki developed a great program at St. Lawrence. They went to the women's national title game in 2001 against Stevens Point. Later, Gromacki left St. Lawrence and took an assistant coaches job at Temple. Though, he eventually went full circle and now he's back in the Liberty League, at Hamilton. That obviously wasn't in his mind when he went to Temple.

There's a handful of coaches that have gone from the Division III ranks to a Division I assistant coach. Or, they become head coaches at mid-major D-I's and then gradually move up to the big show, like Wisconsin's Bo Ryan.

But, for this situation, I don't see Goodemote moving anytime soon. He's developed a good program at Utica and why leave a winner for the time being? I'd be thinking more that Kornaker would move on before Goodemote.

I agree...I think Coach Goodemote is happy at Utica and is in a good situation here.

Adam the Bull · February 06, 2007, 03:12:13 PM

Quote from: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
Good to hear.
I know your GM very well.
The Doc mad mention of you the other day too.
Welcome to the board!

My GM is a good man....which is unusual in the radio world.

tigerfan2 · February 06, 2007, 03:45:42 PM

First off, I was in no way trying to imply that I thought that Goodemote should leave UC for Naz, it was purely hypothetical.

Secondly, I understand that most D3 coaches that want to move up would prefer a D1 assistant job, but what would be wrong with moving to a different D3 school if the situation were right?

Finally, why would a move within the E8 not make sense?
Some schools spend more than others in terms of Ath. Dept. spending. I find it hard to accept that if a coach got offered a job where the funding for the program was better, a better salary was offered and there was a larger recruiting base that said coach would turn down the offer just because it was in the same conference.

What if, and again, this is hypothetical, a coach came to EC and turned the program around (tough job I know) and then Kornaker leaves Fisher. If Fisher offered their coaching job to the EC coach, should that coach not consider it since its in the same conference?

I think things may have gotten a little defensive because I mentioned Goodemote specifically and I understand that. If my team had a solid coach I wouldn't want him to leave the program either.

fisheralum91 · February 06, 2007, 03:50:09 PM

BD indeed is a very good man!
Keep up the good work!
And again welcome to the board- though I may be from the Utica area, I love my alma mater!

sjfcards · February 06, 2007, 06:15:50 PM

Any predictions for the week ahead?..starting with tonight there are some big games for the E8 this week.

Fisher needs a sweep of the next three games to keep its hope of an at large bid alive...while IC is tied with Fisher and RIT and Alfred are just a game back of them.
Should be tough for Fisher to navigate the rest of the regular season without a loss...When was the last time they had 4 losses in a conference season?

FisherDynasty · February 06, 2007, 06:17:39 PM

When was the last time they had 3 conferences losses? 2002 i believe.

AUPepBand · February 06, 2007, 08:40:35 PM

Fisher up on the Saxons, 27-17 at halftime.

AUPepBand · February 06, 2007, 09:35:27 PM

It's over....Fisher 81, AU 41

superman57 · February 06, 2007, 09:52:38 PM

likes like a certain team was a little angry about losing to RIT and Alfred last time

FisherDynasty · February 06, 2007, 10:07:44 PM

So far this season fisher is playing exactly like expected (although hard to deal with). Being young and with many new faces, I knew they would be very inconsistent and be vulnerable to more league losses and upsets then previous years. Also, New that they can put together great games on an inconsistent basis to beat very good teams or blow out average teams like previous years. That being said, look for them to continue to be inconsistent for the remainder of the year, hopefully will hit full stride by E8 tourny time which is in my opinion what is most likely going to happen seeing how they should get better each game.

superman57 · February 06, 2007, 10:13:20 PM

there are two game in the next two weeks that should tell me a lot about this fisher team... at Ithaca and vs. Utica, but also whats going to be very telling is how fisher plays against Elmira and Hartwick

tigerfan2 · February 06, 2007, 10:28:55 PM

RIT finally won a conference home game and continued its winning streak over Naz tonight as well with a 69-60 win.

4 Tigers were in double figures led by Rob Hampton off the bench with 14. Canori led Naz with 22.

RIT did continue to struggle at the line, going 6-14 as a team.

sjfcards · February 06, 2007, 10:58:03 PM

Well I am glad to see Fisher play well again...That is a good way to start off a huge couple of weeks.

It seems like Fisher plays very well when they are angry and out to prove the last loss was a fluke. If they can find a way to harness that type of enthusiasm and anger they can beat up on any team in the league...

Problem is they tend to take games off...like superman said, this is about what we expected from this team. I just hope they can find a way to play well through the rest of the season and during the tourny.

Another note...RIT is starting to look like a very dangerous team. If they end up as the 4 seed, look out UC in the first round. They have proven that they can beat Fisher, and they could definatly be a sleeper in the trouny.