Empire 8

[Caz Bombers]

I think it's a case of where the East region isn't all that good nationally (but would we know for sure? none of us ever play the Woosters, Wittenbergs, Wheatons, etc.) but the committee levels everything out by taking that QOWI and regional rankings as practically the word of a higher power.

As for two bids...my gut says the opposite of The Chairman.  I think whichever of UC or SJF doesnt win the A bid will get in also.

How bout this?  What if Ithaca or RIT sneaks away with the E8 tourney title?  What then for Fisher and Utica?

[clearconceit]

Highly doubt there will be 2 teams going fro our league.  But have no fear Utica is here baby.  Yeah I am confident - nothing wrong with that.

Anything can happen but it is destiny this season.  The reign of the Rochester schools is ending.  ANd its just going to be so special to see all 3 Rchy schools sitting home in a few weeks and UTICA in the NCAA Tournament.

And the league awards are.....

Player of the year: Cocozziello
Runner-up: Bryant

Coach of the year: Goodemote
Runner-up: McVeign (not sure on the spelling) but anyone that beats us at home deserves a vote or 2.

New Comer of the year: McAdams

Can't wait for Friday, I just might go up to see the big victory.

[FisherDynasty]

Naz was up 20 on Wheaton this year and blew it to lose by 1 or 2 points.  I talked to people that saw the game, and they said wheaton was not close to as good as Fisher this year. I agree with most of the rest of the nation that the East region is weaker then most of the rest, however the top programs are in the same league and could beat many of them having the chance.  Its almost like a lose lose situation for the East, in that even if they win around here and come out fo the region to advance to the finals, they will always be considered weak.

[superman57]

Highly doubt there will be 2 teams going fro our league.  But have no fear Utica is here baby.  Yeah I am confident - nothing wrong with that.

Anything can happen but it is destiny this season.  The reign of the Rochester schools is ending.  ANd its just going to be so special to see all 3 Rchy schools sitting home in a few weeks and UTICA in the NCAA Tournament.

And the league awards are.....

Player of the year: Cocozziello
Runner-up: Bryant

Coach of the year: Goodemote
Runner-up: McVeign (not sure on the spelling) but anyone that beats us at home deserves a vote or 2.

New Comer of the year: McAdams

Can't wait for Friday, I just might go up to see the big victory.

Your not confident, your cocky, Coco Crisp will not win POY because when ever he has needed to step up he has choked, if Utica splits the conference championship I do not see goodemote winning COY, who wins I really don't know...I like the McAdams pick, but I also think Baltz and Newman should garner some votes

[gobombers15]

Highly doubt there will be 2 teams going fro our league.  But have no fear Utica is here baby.  Yeah I am confident - nothing wrong with that.

Anything can happen but it is destiny this season.  The reign of the Rochester schools is ending.  ANd its just going to be so special to see all 3 Rchy schools sitting home in a few weeks and UTICA in the NCAA Tournament.

And the league awards are.....

Player of the year: Cocozziello
Runner-up: Bryant

Coach of the year: Goodemote
Runner-up: McVeign (not sure on the spelling) but anyone that beats us at home deserves a vote or 2.

New Comer of the year: McAdams

Can't wait for Friday, I just might go up to see the big victory.

Your not confident, your cocky, Coco Crisp will not win POY because when ever he has needed to step up he has choked, if Utica splits the conference championship I do not see goodemote winning COY, who wins I really don't know...I like the McAdams pick, but I also think Baltz and Newman should garner some votes

A few things wrong with that post...

1) I hate to rehash, but Cocozziello has a good chance to win E8 POY. There are two camps on this board re: Cocozziello's candidacy for POY. There's the one group who doesn't think he warrants consideration simply because he is on a bad team. That group says, "how good can he be, they've only won three games!" Then there's the other camp, which includes me, that thinks he should be the POY because he's pretty much flying solo on that team and still putting up the best numbers in the conference. I say, "the ONLY reason this team has any wins in this conference is because of him." In conference games, he is scoring 3 pts more per game than the second leading scorer in the league (Canori-19.8 ppg). Do you have any idea of how hard that must be considering he is THE focus of EVERY team they ever play against! You try to score 22/game playing against a box-and-one or double-teams each time down the floor. I don't think there's anyone else in this league who could do that and, thus, he is the best player in the league and is deserving of the POY. If you even want to make the argument that he's not the most valuable player in the league, I'd disagree with you there. I think if you replaced him with an average player in this conference, Hartwick would win zero conference games. That's a three game drop-off. I don't think you could take any other team's top player, replace him with an average player and see that much of a drop-off.

2) Who has he choked against? Are you referring to the fact that he's unable to beat Fisher, Utica and Ithaca? Funny how that works. When a guy is pretty much playing one-on-five, I'll take the five more times than not. Ask RIT about what a choke he is. He singlehandedly brought them back in the first half after RIT opened up a 19-point lead, helping Hartwick get it down to four before break. Also, he brought Hartwick back from a double-digit deficit in Rochester when 'Wick beat RIT the first time around. Yeah, what a choker! Really can't get it done when his team's back is against the wall.

He averaged over 33 ppg against the Tigers in Hartwick's sweep of RIT. Ithaca isn't going to sweep RIT. Utica didn't sweep RIT. Fisher didn't sweep RIT. I just think your statement about him "choking when it matters most" is completely unfounded, not backed up by any evidence and just plain wrong.

3) McAdam will likely get the award for ROY based on his numbers. However, I don't think Baltz or Newman will get ANY consideration for the award. This is a two horse race between McAdam and Leahy of Ithaca. Leahy was just named Rookie of the Week today for the FIFTH time this season. McAdam has been named Rookie of the Week 3.5 times and Baltz .5 times (shared the award with Elmira's Nick Woitach); Newman's name is absent from the list. McAdam deserves the award based on the fact that he's more of a true rookie than Leahy and has put up disgusting numbers. That said, I wouldn't be that surprised if Leahy won the award. He's also won the Rookie of the Week award the most times since conference play has started; that's when it matters. Conference play will be given more weight than OOC games. If anyone gets a vote for ROY besides Leahy and McAdam (and it would surprise me if anyone does), it will be Kenny Gethers of RIT; not Baltz or Newman.

[sjfcards]

Highly doubt there will be 2 teams going fro our league.  But have no fear Utica is here baby.  Yeah I am confident - nothing wrong with that.

Anything can happen but it is destiny this season.  The reign of the Rochester schools is ending.  ANd its just going to be so special to see all 3 Rchy schools sitting home in a few weeks and UTICA in the NCAA Tournament.

And the league awards are.....

Player of the year: Cocozziello
Runner-up: Bryant

Coach of the year: Goodemote
Runner-up: McVeign (not sure on the spelling) but anyone that beats us at home deserves a vote or 2.

New Comer of the year: McAdams

Can't wait for Friday, I just might go up to see the big victory.

Your not confident, your cocky, Coco Crisp will not win POY because when ever he has needed to step up he has choked, if Utica splits the conference championship I do not see goodemote winning COY, who wins I really don't know...I like the McAdams pick, but I also think Baltz and Newman should garner some votes

I am starting to think that whoever wins the tourny may win coach of the year...Think about it if UC wins doodemote will have basically led a team wire to wire to win the league and AQ. pretty impresive. If Fisher wins then, in a rebuilding year, Kornaker would have taken a team back to the NCAA's. Also impressive. If RIT or IC wins, it will be the underdog story pulling off the amazing run to get a team into the tourny. All would be great stories for coach of the year.

I am taking Kornaker, but that is because I have a huge bias, and that I think Fisher will win the E8 tourny. that is what my heart says. My mind is still unsure.
Should be interesting.

[superman57]

I think that while coco is a great player he scored 6 points in a game against utica that if he had played better they could have won.... he scored 10 in a game against ithaca...I think it goes to Doug Herring or Ray...because I think the voters are going to have the same disscusion we are and he's going to lose votes because of the fact that they have only won 3 conference games and will finish with maybe 4 wins

[Caz Bombers]

Gethers is a junior, played at Houghton then at a JUCO last season.

[gobombers15]

Gethers is a junior, played at Houghton then at a JUCO last season.

Caz, I think he still qualifies as a rookie, though. Why else would the league have given him the Rookie of the Week award?

I've kind of cooled off on Herring. Look at his numbers relative to Burton's and Mueller's and I think you'll be surprised. I was.

[fisheralum03]

from what I've read on the internet, both on this site and Fisher's website, if Fisher wins 2 this weekened, then they host next weekend? Is that true?

[dmcclintock]

I have been away for sometime but i just caught the scores for this weekend.  Fisher/Ithaca sounded like an exciting game.  Question how does Fisher win by double digits in the fourth overtime.  Good to see that even in a down year Fisher still sweeps Ithaca (I'm aware that comment could haunt me come tournament time).  It appears as though the E8 tourney its going to be up for grabs for this first time since its inception.  I still believe Fisher can pull it off however.  

Coco should get player of the year because he is so dominate hes shooting overall 43% from the field to go along with his negative assist to turnover ratio and his awesome winning percentage.  Actually, now that I had to look at Hartwicks stats a questions comes to mind.  Who is Cory Carlson, he actually seems like he might be alright, 13.6 ppg, 48.6% shooting, atleast a positive assist to turnover ratio and he boards it.  Has anyone seen him play and can vouch for that stats he puts up.  Just curious

Moving along.  Bryant should get POY--Hard to not give him considering hes almost avg. a double double and his team will inebitably win the regular season

ROY-Toss up, earlier I would have said hands down Cory Mc but Leahy might steal it
COY-Still up for grabs

lastly, Only one team from the E8 will go to the NCAA's simply because the E8 teams just didnt get enough done when they played out of schedule.  Could argue that Fisher might get in if Utica wins the tourney but I think their 29 pt loss to U of R could cancel out the win they had previous.  If Fisher or anyother team wins aside from Utica I doubt Utica will get in.  There resume, keeps getting worse.  There only chance to improve that would be to take Fisher down at Varisty gym.  Anyways, looks like an exciting final weeks of E8 play

[dmcclintock]

Unless Utica drops 2 this weekend (shouldnt happen) Utica will host because Utica's losses are not as bad as Fishers (Mainly the Alfred Loss) and thats how the winner of the E8 is determined...

[superman57]

a) it still depends on what Ithaca does, and if Alfred can some how pull off another astronomical upset and beat utica...(which will probably never happen) If ithaca chokes the chicken and loses both games this weekend which is a possibility and alfred splits then alfred gets in the tourny and the tourny is at fisher

[gobombers15]

a) it still depends on what Ithaca does, and if Alfred can some how pull off another astronomical upset and beat utica...(which will probably never happen) If ithaca chokes the chicken and loses both games this weekend which is a possibility and alfred splits then alfred gets in the tourny and the tourny is at fisher

How would Alfred make it over Ithaca if both finish 8-6. Ithaca swept them. That's absurd. Even in the event of a three-way tie between RIT/IC/Alfred (though that will never happen because if you're assuming RIT beats Ithaca, you'd also have to assume RIT loses to Elmira...fat chance), RIT has a 3-1 record against the other two, IC would have a 2-2 record, and Alfred will have a 1-3 record. I don't think there's any scenario that puts Alfred in over Ithaca. I think the only way Alfred gets in is to come in a tie with only RIT. I'm pretty sure that if IC wins tomorrow at Elmira, there is no mathematical way that Alfred can finish ahead of IC in the standings. Hence, Fisher's only chance would be to hope that Utica drops both this weekend. Book your hotel rooms in Utica.

[sjfcards]

a) it still depends on what Ithaca does, and if Alfred can some how pull off another astronomical upset and beat utica...(which will probably never happen) If ithaca chokes the chicken and loses both games this weekend which is a possibility and alfred splits then alfred gets in the tourny and the tourny is at fisher

How would Alfred make it over Ithaca if both finish 8-6. Ithaca swept them. That's absurd. Even in the event of a three-way tie between RIT/IC/Alfred (though that will never happen because if you're assuming RIT beats Ithaca, you'd also have to assume RIT loses to Elmira...fat chance), RIT has a 3-1 record against the other two, IC would have a 2-2 record, and Alfred will have a 1-3 record. I don't think there's any scenario that puts Alfred in over Ithaca. I think the only way Alfred gets in is to come in a tie with only RIT. I'm pretty sure that if IC wins tomorrow at Elmira, there is no mathematical way that Alfred can finish ahead of IC in the standings. Hence, Fisher's only chance would be to hope that Utica drops both this weekend. Book your hotel rooms in Utica.

Agreed. The only way that Fisher can get the tourny is to have AU finish ahead of IC...to do that they have to win two games, which would give Fisher the championship outright.
Basically Fisher can secure a tie for the league title with a 2-0 weekend. However, they should be ready to play the tourny in Utica. As much as Fisher would love to play at home, I don't think they are scared of playing at UC for the tourny. They could have very easily beat UC already in their gym, and UC has struggled at home recently.