Empire 8

[superman57]

I looked at the standings and ya there is no way unless utica chokes on both games...

[Pat Coleman]

This is national QOWI ranking through Saturday's game.

Rank   Points   In-region   Team   Region Win%   Overall
14   10.450   1   Rochester   0.800 (16-4)   16-5
18   10.364   2   St. Lawrence   0.773 (17-5)   18-5
24   10.286   3   Brockport State   0.810 (17-4)   18-4
32   10.045   4   St. John Fisher   0.773 (17-5)   18-5
34   10.000   5   Hamilton   0.722 (13-5)   16-5
45   9.857   6   Utica   0.810 (17-4)   18-4
46   9.850   7   New York University   0.750 (15-5)   16-5

This makes it look more like the E8 could, in fact, be a two-bid league.  Something totally unquantifiable tells me that the parity makes the league look bad, not good.  Pat, you out there?  Any thoughts on the number of E8 bids?

This depends on what happens elsewhere, but Utica got in with a 9.6-something QOWI last year. Utica can't afford a loss, but St. John Fisher can afford one, most likely.

[FisherDynasty]

Exactly what i said, Fisher can take one loss to utica out of their two future possible matchups. Utica, has no good wins and will probably have to win both.

[bamm]

Well, the win over Fisher is important in terms of their QOWI.  Also, RIT and Ithaca are going to remain above .500 in region, which is important for keeping their QOWI.

Fisher caught Brockport and Rochester early in the season before they got on their respective rolls and pulled out victories, which is why their QOWI is looking so good right now.

I don't think they are better than Brockport, Rochester, or Utica this season.  But it will be important for Brockport and Utica to win down the stretch to ensure Fisher doesn't get in the dance in front of them.

[gobombers15]

And a hush comes over the Utica crowd...

[FisherDynasty]

Bamm, Bport beat fisher first and took fullll advantage of their very young guards to get the win, fisher Beat them second.  Dont forget bport was also rolling earlier in the season.  UofR is always a team that improves as the season goes on so i will go with ya on that one.  Also, Fisher is getting better and better as time goes on, newman and baltz are finally starting to play to their potential.  When they are hitting their shots they can beat anyone in the region.  Do i think fisher is the best team in the region, no.  I think it would be NYU or UofR however, due to their tough schedule, it is very likely both will not get in, maybe neither.  I also agree that both utica and bport need to finish strong to get in ahead of uofr.  Fisher has the best quality wins out of both of them.  The one alfred loss really hurts tho.

[bamm]

FD - Brockport is a much better team now than they were in December and early January, when both games with Fisher were played (yes, the teams split).  This has been talked about extensively on the SUNYAC board if you want details on the Golden Eagles.

This worked out for Fisher - as I said, I think they would have a lot of trouble beating Port now and their QOWI benefits from the run the Eagles have gone on. 

[FisherDynasty]

Yeah im sure they are better, but so is Fisher.  especially the first game of the year, when the freshmen looked like they were going to curl up in the corner.  However, i do think bport is probably the better team but the way they play, they can be beat by a lot of teams, and also can beat probably anybody when they are hitting their shots.  Either way, I think they will get in even if they lose the sunyacs this year, unless they lose a game prior to the tourny as well as in the tourny.  The one fisher win that is huge is Geneseo. They will have the edge over them, so i think if bport wins the sunyac tourny, fisher will get the at large over any other sunyac team.  The liberty league is a weak league, I think they will get one team in.  The close of the season should be interesting.

[JQV]

Fisher has the best quality wins out of both of them.  The one alfred loss really hurts tho.

The way I understand QOWI, the Alfred loss doesn't hurt at all.  It hurts the selection committee's general perception of Fisher but QOWI stands for Quality of Wins Index. Thus, a win over Alfred wouldn't have really improved Fisher's QOWI significantly so the absence of a win over Alfred doesn't really lower it.  But, I am no QOWI guru, we need Frank Rossi to look at this.

Presumably, all the E8 teams are better now than they were in December since they are all very young.  That is certainly true of Ithaca whose sophomores are improving by the hours it seems.

[bamm]

Fisher has the best quality wins out of both of them.  The one alfred loss really hurts tho.

The way I understand QOWI, the Alfred loss doesn't hurt at all.  It hurts the selection committee's general perception of Fisher but QOWI stands for Quality of Wins Index. Thus, a win over Alfred wouldn't have really improved Fisher's QOWI significantly so the absence of a win over Alfred doesn't really lower it.  But, I am no QOWI guru, we need Frank Rossi to look at this.

Presumably, all the E8 teams are better now than they were in December since they are all very young.  That is certainly true of Ithaca whose sophomores are improving by the hours it seems.

Losses count as well, and losses to bad teams hurt.  Here's the formula.  Keep in mind, this is in-region only.

Win on the road versus a team at or above .667...............................15 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .667 ....................................14 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667 ....13 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667..........12 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500 ....11 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500..........10 points
Win on the road versus a team below .333 ..........................................9 points
Win at home versus a team below .333 ...............................................8 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .667................................7 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .667.....................................6 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667.....5 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667 ..........4 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500.....3 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500 ..........2 points
Loss on the road versus a team below .333...........................................1 point
Loss at home versus a team below .333..............................................0 points

[superman57]

my prediction is that elmira shocks the world tonight....













and loses by less then 20

[gobombers15]

my prediction is that elmira shocks the world tonight....



and loses by less then 20

Jokes. I almost thought you had lost your sanity there for a second.

[superman57]

I'm stupid but not on point with clear and postup

[b4the3isme]

FishDyn- I'm interested in why you think the Liberty League is a weak league? Clarkson a 4-8 LL team has wins over Utica, RIT and RIT lost to SLU also. I haven't seen a lot of e-8 teams this year, but they haven't exactly been bowling over regional competition.  Of the 3 leagues you mention the one that might be the weakest (other than B-port and possibly Plattsburg) might be the SUNYAC.  Geneseo is slumping of late, the rest of the teams seem very mediocre.

[Pat Coleman]

Fisher has the best quality wins out of both of them.  The one alfred loss really hurts tho.

The way I understand QOWI, the Alfred loss doesn't hurt at all.  It hurts the selection committee's general perception of Fisher but QOWI stands for Quality of Wins Index. Thus, a win over Alfred wouldn't have really improved Fisher's QOWI significantly so the absence of a win over Alfred doesn't really lower it.  But, I am no QOWI guru, we need Frank Rossi to look at this.

Geez -- don't assume. This information is available all over the place.