Empire 8

[sjfcards]

HAHA  come on clear lets talk about some stuff...

I should not call him out but it is fun...hey at least it was a close game throughtout ....


i love it...

A few drinks have been had tonight...so I Apologize for the harshness....big stuff fisher

[superman57]

so caz what happens if elmira shocks rit and Utica chokes the chicken and loses to Alfred

[gordonmann]

Thanks, Caz.

[FisherDynasty]

Fisher takes home (with a win tomorrow) home court for the 4th consecutive e8 tourny.  they should just call it Fisher's post season tourny haha.  Utica was very UNIMPRESSIVE tonight, they looked like a JV team.  Bryant or not, they had no chance of winning tonight, they were getting smashed early on with him in the game. To be quite honest and dating back to previous posts the kid (guy) does not impress me one bit.  Never and i mean NEVER does anything against fisher. I really dont see why he is so hyped up, even last year i thought justin cichon was a much better player and threat on the court.  Having lost him is a tremendous loss, they dont have any 3 pt shooters (lowest % in the league).  Anything can happen come tourny time, the rematch if the 2 teams make it again should be hopefully a good game unlike tonight.  Either way, you Utica fans are very OPTIMISTIC about your team, getting past fisher or not that team is not getting past the 2nd round of the tournament.  They have no shoothers and no size.  They play solid D, that is there only hope.  That team is above average along with just about every other team in the northeast this year.  Also, Fisher definatly deserves some player of the Year talk, Dan mueller has had an amazing season this year, the kid absolute shoots the Sh**@ out of the ball, and does a lot of other things for the team.  Dan Mcsweeney dominates (doesn't have the nubmers and too many bad games) but is definatly one of the best players.  and UCgrad i would take Mcsweeney or Mueller, along with Tim Bacon and coco crisp over Bryant any day of the week.  I havnt seen ithaca play so can say anything about their players being better, probably bostic as well. 


My top 5 in the region:

UofR
NYU
Bport
Fisher
St. Lawrence/Hamilton

[Caz Bombers]

so caz what happens if elmira shocks rit and Utica chokes the chicken and loses to Alfred

Then Alfred gets in as the #4 seed and plays Fisher.

#1 seed is Fisher with a win over Hartwick OR Utica loss to Alfred; Utica needs win AND SJF loss

#2 seed will be the SJF/Utica also-ran

#3 seed is Ithaca

#4 seed is RIT with a win over Elmira OR Alfred loss to Utica; Alfred needs win AND RIT loss

[superman57]

but what say is there any chance that Utica drops to the 3 seed

[Caz Bombers]

Nope, because even if Ithaca wins and Utica loses, the tie goes to Utica because they beat Fisher once and the Bombers didn't.  If Fisher also loses to create a 3-way tie, it goes to SJF based on 3-1 record against UC/IC, then Utica the 2 seed due to their win over Fisher, then IC.

[gobombers15]

Fisher takes home (with a win tomorrow) home court for the 4th consecutive e8 tourny.  they should just call it Fisher's post season tourny haha.  Utica was very UNIMPRESSIVE tonight, they looked like a JV team.  Bryant or not, they had no chance of winning tonight, they were getting smashed early on with him in the game. To be quite honest and dating back to previous posts the kid (guy) does not impress me one bit.  Never and i mean NEVER does anything against fisher. I really dont see why he is so hyped up, even last year i thought justin cichon was a much better player and threat on the court.  Having lost him is a tremendous loss, they dont have any 3 pt shooters (lowest % in the league).  Anything can happen come tourny time, the rematch if the 2 teams make it again should be hopefully a good game unlike tonight.  Either way, you Utica fans are very OPTIMISTIC about your team, getting past fisher or not that team is not getting past the 2nd round of the tournament.  They have no shoothers and no size.  They play solid D, that is there only hope.  That team is above average along with just about every other team in the northeast this year.  Also, Fisher definatly deserves some player of the Year talk, Dan mueller has had an amazing season this year, the kid absolute shoots the Sh**@ out of the ball, and does a lot of other things for the team.  Dan Mcsweeney dominates (doesn't have the nubmers and too many bad games) but is definatly one of the best players.  and UCgrad i would take Mcsweeney or Mueller, along with Tim Bacon and coco crisp over Bryant any day of the week.  I havnt seen ithaca play so can say anything about their players being better, probably bostic as well. 

I agree with you that Mueller is an excellent player, but POY talk is a bit premature...this year, anyways. I think there's a valid argument out there that he isn't even one of the top two PG's in the league. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he earns less votes than Herring and Burton in the voting for all-conference. I don't think any of the three guys deserve to be demoted to Honorable Mention, so hopefully they can get two of those guys on the 2nd team.

Great balance tonight for the Bombers. Bostic leads the way with 20 pts and 10 rebs. Freshman Tom Brown continues his fine play with 15 and 10. Sean Burton chips in with 14 points and 6 assists. Leahy continues his push for ROY with 17 and Brendan Rogers comes off the bench to score 10. After being outrebounded by 18 boards the first time around, IC outrebounds RIT, 39-32. Ithaca's playing some good ball right now.

By the way, Fisher fans, I'd temper your optimism just a bit. We all know that the RIT game will likely be a war and each of the matchups with the Tigers thus far have been very close.

[gobombers15]

BTW, I stand by my initial statement made over a week ago that if UC lost to Fisher tonight and then failed to win the E8 Tourney that they will not make the NCAA's. Mediocre resume + slump to the finish + best player hobbled= Not in the field.

With tonight's win, I think Fisher guarantees themselves an at-large berth if they don't win the E8 Tourney.

[superman57]

gb while I want to agree with you this win should put fisher in the tourny...I don't think they can afford to choke in the first game of the E8 tourny

[sjfcards]

I think Fisher showed a lot of power tonight.... I am happy to see a win at home against a good Utica team... I think this gets them into the tourny...Very happy to get this one...The tourny being at hojme is a big advangtage for Fisher....Say what you want UC fans...they proved it tongiht they are tough to breat at Fisher...

Just take care of business tonight against Hartwick...

[FisherDynasty]

Go Bombers, I hear ya on the your argument.  I know ive said this time and time again, But I will take a very good player on a good team (mueller has dropped over 20 pts many times this season and has a good assist/turnover ratio) over a stat builder on a team in the middle of the pack to lower end of the league.  I am biased of course, but just because Fisher plays team basketball and someone different steps up night in and night out, they still have the best players.  Therefore, the player playing the best throughout the season should get lots of consideration.  I mean, if you take a 15pt 10 rebound guy from any other team in the league and put them on fisher they turn into a 10 and 6 type of guy, thats the bottom line. 

Also, i know he turned it on late i the season but i guarantee chris baltz will get votes for ROY.  the kid has lead the best team in the conference in scoring a few times this season, having a huge game in the most important game of the season so far as well.  Not saying he should get it because his numbers werent there the first half, but as of right now hes playing like the ROY.

[gobombers15]

Go Bombers, I hear ya on the your argument.  I know ive said this time and time again, But I will take a very good player on a good team (mueller has dropped over 20 pts many times this season and has a good assist/turnover ratio) over a stat builder on a team in the middle of the pack to lower end of the league.  I am biased of course, but just because Fisher plays team basketball and someone different steps up night in and night out, they still have the best players.  Therefore, the player playing the best throughout the season should get lots of consideration.  I mean, if you take a 15pt 10 rebound guy from any other team in the league and put them on fisher they turn into a 10 and 6 type of guy, thats the bottom line. 

Also, i know he turned it on late i the season but i guarantee chris baltz will get votes for ROY.  the kid has lead the best team in the conference in scoring a few times this season, having a huge game in the most important game of the season so far as well.  Not saying he should get it because his numbers werent there the first half, but as of right now hes playing like the ROY.

You're entitled to your opinion re: Baltz. Without the numbers in front of me, I'd still be willing to bet that his numbers don't compare with Leahy's or McAdam's over the last five or six contests. I'm pretty sure that each team only votes for one ROY and I think each of those votes will be cast for either Leahy or McAdam, and deservedly so. No point in debating whether Baltz will receive any votes (and I don't think he will) because we'll only ever know the winner, and he, in all likelihood, will not be it.

Also, who are these "stat builders" on "middle of the pack to lower end" teams? I believe Herring is the PG for the team tied for 1st place and Burton is the leader of the 3rd place team that is going to go 10-4 in the conference (assuming a W tomorrow). It's not like those guys are enjoying individual success absent team success. To be honest, I think Burton is the most important player on Ithaca's team. It's been awhile since IC has had a smart PG who can shoot it and make good decisions; they have a chance to win every game with him around.

[dewcrew88]

BTW, I stand by my initial statement made over a week ago that if UC lost to Fisher tonight and then failed to win the E8 Tourney that they will not make the NCAA's. Mediocre resume + slump to the finish + best player hobbled= Not in the field.

With tonight's win, I think Fisher guarantees themselves an at-large berth if they don't win the E8 Tourney.

I think there is a possibility Utica could get in. If they beat Alfred today, the Pioneers will be 19-5 and 11-3 in the E8, which is a pretty good record overall. In the conference, they've only lost to Ithaca in overtime  (who will be in the tourney), RIT (who will probably be in the tournament -- and if they make it as the 4 seed could give Fisher problems) and now Fisher (the top seed).
I don't see any bad losses in that group at all, other than the fact that the IC and RIT losses were at home.
Losing to a mediocre Clarkson team is not good at all, but the loss to Hamilton won't be too bad because they are doing very well, as they are 17-6 and 10-3 in the Liberty League.
I think the Pioneers' record is good enough that even if they don't win the tournament (say they lose to Fisher in the championship), they could still get in.
My two cents.

[superman57]

BTW, I stand by my initial statement made over a week ago that if UC lost to Fisher tonight and then failed to win the E8 Tourney that they will not make the NCAA's. Mediocre resume + slump to the finish + best player hobbled= Not in the field.

With tonight's win, I think Fisher guarantees themselves an at-large berth if they don't win the E8 Tourney.

I think there is a possibility Utica could get in. If they beat Alfred today, the Pioneers will be 19-5 and 11-3 in the E8, which is a pretty good record overall. In the conference, they've only lost to Ithaca in overtime  (who will be in the tourney), RIT (who will probably be in the tournament -- and if they make it as the 4 seed could give Fisher problems) and now Fisher (the top seed).
I don't see any bad losses in that group at all, other than the fact that the IC and RIT losses were at home.
Losing to a mediocre Clarkson team is not good at all, but the loss to Hamilton won't be too bad because they are doing very well, as they are 17-6 and 10-3 in the Liberty League.
I think the Pioneers' record is good enough that even if they don't win the tournament (say they lose to Fisher in the championship), they could still get in.
My two cents.

bud at some point it comes down to who you beat not who you lost too...