Empire 8

[superman57]

in all honesty I will be disapointed if Fisher does not make the NCAA's but will it be a complete disapointment no...they really were not supposed to be that good this year...wait till these players have a chance to mature fisher could be dangerous

[Caz Bombers]

I'll tell ya right now, St. Lawrence isn't winning the LL tournament.  They've got Vassar in the semifinals; Vassar beat them in Canton and SLU nicked 'em by 3 in OT at Vassar in the most exciting game I've been at all year, D1 or D3.  Even if they get by the Brewers, Hamilton beat the Saints soundly twice...and round 3 is at Hamilton.

[bamm]

Latest QOWI numbers.  UR jumped Fisher after last night's games.

Overall rk   Points   In-reg   Team   Region Win%   Overall
10   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
15   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
19   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
21   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
38   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
46   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
62   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6

[bamm]

Keep in mind, what happens in the NE conference tournaments will certainly impact Pool C bids from the East. 

The NESCAC looks like a 2 bid league, with both Amherst and Trinity certain Pool C-ers.  East teams need WPI, who Utica beat in the tournament last year, to win their tournament, as no one else there will get in otherwise.  The same applies to a couple of other leagues (Rhode Island College is a certain Pool C-er if they lose, although I don't know if that league has a postseason tournament).

Just wanted to point out that other tourneys outside of NY are going to impact what happens to the Pool C hopes of Fisher, Rochester/NYU, and Hamilton.

[rjcarter8]

Just thought I'd take a look to see how the Northeast and East region QOWI's stack up aganist each other. It may have been overkill, but I grabbed the top 20 teams in each region, then compiled the combined list to the top 40 overall. It's clear to see the Northeast Region has teams with much higher QOWI than the East Region.

Northeast Region  (Region rank, QOWI, Overall rank, Team, Conference, Region win pct., Region record, Overall record)
1.   11.625 (1) Amherst (NESCAC)   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2.    10.950 (3) Trinity (Conn.) (NESCAC)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
3.    10.810 (4) Worcester Polytech (NEWMAC)   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
4.    10.708 (5) Salem State (MASCAC)   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
5.    10.520 (8) Rhode Island College (LEC)   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
6.    10.217 (20) Keene State (LEC)   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
7.    10.125 (25) Brandeis (UAA)   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
8.    9.792 (42) Bates (NESCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
9.    9.708 (49) Husson (NAC)   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
10.    9.360 (61) Tufts (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
11.    9.346 (63) Western New England (GNAC)   0.731 (19-7)   19-7
12.    9.292 (67) Babson (NEWMAC)   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
13.    9.250 (69) Bridgewater State (MASCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
14.    9.190 (72) Colby (NESCAC)   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
15.    8.870 (95) Gordon (CCC)   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
16.    8.800 (97) Elms (NAC)   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
17.    8.800 (98) Lasell (NAC)   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
18.    8.720 (103) Endicott (CCC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
19.   8.696 (108) Williams (NESCAC)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
20.   8.600 (114) Middlebury (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10

East Region (Region rank, QOWI, Overall rank, Team, Conference, Region win pct., Region record, Overall record)
1.    10.400 (10) Brockport State (SUNYAC)   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
2.    10.292 (15) St. Lawrence (LL)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
3.    10.217 (19) Rochester (UAA)   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
4.    10.208 (21) St. John Fisher (E8)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
5.     9.870 (38) New York University (UAA)   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
6.     9.762 (46) Hamilton (LL)   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
7.     9.348 (62) Utica (E8)   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
8.     9.190 (71) Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC)   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
9.     8.727 (101) Vassar (LL)   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
10.   8.696 (107) Oswego State (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
11.   8.680 (111) Clarkson (LL)   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
12.   8.667 (113) Geneseo State (SUNYAC)   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
13.    8.522 (117) Rochester Tech (E8)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
14.    8.429 (125) Ithaca (E8)  0.571 (12-9)   14-11
15.    8.391 (127) SUNYIT (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
16.    7.917 (160) RPI (LL)   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
17.    7.857 (169) Union (LL)   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
18.    7.773 (174) Alfred (E8)  0.455 (10-12)   10-14
19. 7.727 (178) Buffalo State (SUNYAC)   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
20. 7.708 (181) Hobart (LL)   0.417 (10-14)   11-14

Here are the combined regional rankings based on QOWI. In the event of a tie, and there are a few, I ranked the teams in order of their overall rank.

Combined Regions (Northeast and East)
1. (NE1)   11.625 (1) Amherst (NESCAC)   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2. (NE2)   10.950 (3) Trinity (Conn.) (NESCAC)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
3. (NE3)   10.810 (4) Worcester Polytech (NEWMAC)   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
4. (NE4)   10.708 (5) Salem State (MASCAC)   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
5. (NE5)   10.520 (8) Rhode Island College (LEC)   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
6. (E1)   10.400 (10) Brockport State (SUNYAC)   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
7. (E2)   10.292 (15) St. Lawrence (LL)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
8. (E3)   10.217 (19) Rochester (UAA)   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
tie (NE6)   10.217 (20) Keene State (LEC)   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
10. (E4)    10.208 (21) St. John Fisher (E8)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
11. (NE7)    10.125 (25) Brandeis (UAA)   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
12. (E5)     9.870 (38) New York University (UAA)   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
13. (NE8)    9.792 (42) Bates (NESCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
14. (E6)     9.762 (46) Hamilton (LL)   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
15. (NE9)    9.708 (49) Husson (NAC)   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
16. (NE10)    9.360 (61) Tufts (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
17. (E7)      9.348 (62) Utica (E8)   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
18. (NE11)   9.346 (63) Western New England (GNAC)   0.731 (19-7)   19-7
19. (NE12)    9.292 (67) Babson (NEWMAC)   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
20. (NE13)    9.250 (69) Bridgewater State (MASCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
21. (E8)        9.190 (71) Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC)   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
tie (NE14)    9.190 (72) Colby (NESCAC)   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
23. (NE15)    8.870 (95) Gordon (CCC)   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
24. (NE16)    8.800 (97) Elms (NAC)   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
tie (NE17)    8.800 (98) Lasell (NAC)   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
26. (E9)        8.727 (101) Vassar (LL)   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
27. (NE18)    8.720 (103) Endicott (CCC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
28. (E10)      8.696 (107) Oswego State (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
tie (NE19)      8.696 (108) Williams (NESCAC)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
30. (E11)      8.680 (111) Clarkson (LL)   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
31. (E12)       8.667 (113) Geneseo State (SUNYAC)   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
32. (NE20)   8.600 (114) Middlebury (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
33. (E13)       8.522 (117) Rochester Tech (E8)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
34. (E14)       8.429 (125) Ithaca (E8)  0.571 (12-9)   14-11
35. (E15)       8.391 (127) SUNYIT (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
36. (E16)       7.917 (160) RPI (LL)   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
37. (E17)       7.857 (169) Union (LL)   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
38. (E18)       7.773 (174) Alfred (E8)  0.455 (10-12)   10-14
39. (E19)      7.727 (178) Buffalo State (SUNYAC)   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
40. (E20)      7.708 (181) Hobart (LL)   0.417 (10-14)   11-14

I know some of these teams will get their conference bids, but there are plenty for Pool C too.

Anyone have any thoughts about Pool C bids after seeing this?

[FisherDynasty]

The final East Regional rankings are out:

bport
fisher
slu
nyu
rochester

from looking at that I would have to say Fisher is almost a lock to make it in the NCAA's.

[bamm]

SLU didn't lose and dropped a spot.  Ouch.

Fisher will still be sweating if they lose this weekend, especially if there are upsets elsewhere, and if Rochester and NYU both win their respective games.

[gobombers15]

SLU didn't lose and dropped a spot.  Ouch.

Fisher will still be sweating if they lose this weekend, especially if there are upsets elsewhere, and if Rochester and NYU both win their respective games.

Wow, how is Fisher three slots ahead of Rochester? Comparing the two conferences is like comparing the Big East to the MAAC.

[FisherDynasty]

What a year so far for Fisher, finishing 2nd im the East is way above expectations. Gobombers how can you say how is fisher finishing 3 slots ahead of rochester they have 2 less losses (not as tough of a schedule) but still that gets taken into consideration.  Fisher also did beat UofR once, I know they got slaughtered the 2nd time but every game is a game, the two teams are very comparible regardless of the 30 point loss.

[bports]

SLU did lose the day or the day after the last regional rankings came out!!

[sjfcards]

After looking at the QOWI I was starting to think that Fisher may need two wins this weekend but, now that the new East Region rankings have them at 2...I am starting to think they are a lock again. That should really help them with a selection.

I am suprised that they are all the way up to 2. I thought they would jump into the rankings, and jump up to as high as maybe 3. Don't get me wrong I think Fisher is having a great year. As a fan you have to get excited about the future. They only graduate 2 players (granted they are McSweeny and Mueller).

Still pumped about this season so far...and I still think that Fisher is a lock for the tourny.

[bamm]

Having seen both teams this season (Fisher several times), I feel pretty confident saying any matchup between UR and Fisher now would more likely end up like their second meeting (UR blowout) than the first (narrow Fisher win).  But all that matters to QOWI is that Fisher win early in the year, which is huge for them.

SLU did lose the day or the day after the last regional rankings came out!!

No, they didn't.  Their last loss was on 2/10 to Hobart -- a Saturday.  Last week's Regional Rankings came out last Wednesday, four days after the loss.  Since then they have won two games and still fell behind Fisher.

[bamm]

Having seen both teams this season (Fisher several times), I feel pretty confident saying any matchup between UR and Fisher now would more likely end up like their second meeting (UR blowout) than the first (narrow Fisher win).  But all that matters to QOWI is that Fisher win early in the year, which is huge for them.

SLU did lose the day or the day after the last regional rankings came out!!

No, they didn't.  Their last loss was on 2/10 to Hobart -- a Saturday.  Last week's Regional Rankings came out last Wednesday (2/14), four days after the loss.  Since then they have won two games and still fell behind Fisher.

[FisherDynasty]

Bamm I wouldnt judge too quickly.  I've watch fisher many times this year as well.  I know at times it does seem like this team is lucky to have the record they have or to squeeze out games. They just dont look right sometimes, are very young, and overall arnt as talented as years past.  However, when the freshman (baltz and newman) step up dont play like freshmen then they can beat just about anybody. I think years team will have a tough time beating really good teams consecutively but can beat some if they are on.  They have come on a lot at the end of the season so we'll see.

[gobombers15]

What a year so far for Fisher, finishing 2nd im the East is way above expectations. Gobombers how can you say how is fisher finishing 3 slots ahead of rochester they have 2 less losses (not as tough of a schedule) but still that gets taken into consideration.  Fisher also did beat UofR once, I know they got slaughtered the 2nd time but every game is a game, the two teams are very comparible regardless of the 30 point loss.

Saying something to the effect of "they have two less losses, but UR does have a tougher schedule" is absurd. Gee, do you think maybe, just MAYBE, that there's a correlation there. Three spots! Fisher has not earned a rank three spots higher than UR. You can let your loyalist feelings blind you here, but everyone not affiliated with Fisher would agree with that. UR WAXED Fisher by 30 points on a neutral floor. 30! And it's not like UR was losing to the bottom-dwellers of the UAA. Each of their five conference losses were to teams that currently hold a conference record of 8-5 or better in that league. I can say with 100% certainty that Fisher would have been, at best, the fifth best team in that league this year. There is no way in hell that Fisher should be three spots ahead of UR right now. None.