Empire 8

[dewcrew88]

Your 2007 Empire 8 Champions the St. John Fisher Cardinals.  78-73 the final behind 26 Dan Mueller points.  21 for Jack Lighthall to lead Utica.  Valiant effort Pioneers, but the Crazies win again.

So, despite the loss, do the Pioneers advance to the tournament? Or not this year because of Brockport's loss in the SUNYACs? 19-7 is a pretty good year to get left out of the tourney, but I think they will.

[Caz Bombers]

I think with B'port going down, the very slim chance that Utica had is now gone.

Utica has gotta be D.O.A.  They didn't have much of a chance even if Brockport had won it.

[pg04]

Yeah, Utica and Hamilton will now probably be out of the running now, unless the No Competency Athletic Association committee sees things differently.   

[gobombers15]

If you guys want to see a great game, flip it on over to the women's final. Unbelievable game with HUGE momentum swings. I don't say this often, but that game is 10x better than the men's final.

[dewcrew88]

If you guys want to see a great game, flip it on over to the women's final. Unbelievable game with HUGE momentum swings. I don't say this often, but that game is 10x better than the men's final.

STUPID QUESTION ALERT:

Who is in the woman's final?

[UCgrad45]

I wouldn't be upset right now if it was the players that decided this game. Call after call after call after call, its the same old story when Fisher plays at home.

Congratulations regardless, but that was asinine. 8 on 5 is not the way a championship game should be played.

[gobombers15]

Ithaca and Elmira. Bombers up 93-87 with :30 seconds left. Elmira never led but kept making huge comebacks the entire game. Ithaca must have pushed the lead to 8-12 about 5 times and Elmira came back each time. Elmira didn't lead once in regulation but got it to OT.

[dewcrew88]

I wouldn't be upset right now if it was the players that decided this game. Call after call after call after call, its the same old story when Fisher plays at home.

Congratulations regardless, but that was asinine. 8 on 5 is not the way a championship game should be played.

What was so bad with the refs this time, grad?

"Hey ref, get off your knees! You're blowing the game!"

[superman57]

UC...the calls went both ways and from what I heard there were several technicals that did not get called on utica...so don't go with the refs

[UCgrad45]

I wouldn't be upset right now if it was the players that decided this game. Call after call after call after call, its the same old story when Fisher plays at home.

Congratulations regardless, but that was asinine. 8 on 5 is not the way a championship game should be played.

What was so bad with the refs this time, grad?

"Hey ref, get off your knees! You're blowing the game!"

Well, to name a few, the intentional foul that wasnt called, the technical that wasn't called, the 4 fouls in 30 seconds after that call on Utica to appease kornaker when he should have been t'd, the 15-20 rapings that weren't called, the foul with 1 second left in regulation that wasn't called, not giving Utica the timeout when they called it, the travel that wasn't that was a 5 point turnaround..... I could go on.


I have been told in conversations after games many times by the radio guys for Utica that the officials do not decide games. For them to come out and say that the refs are doing their best to make sure UC can't win and for them to say that the game was not decided by the players means, literally, that they would have to be the most blatanly obvious terrible calls that you could possibly imagine.

[gobombers15]

I wouldn't be upset right now if it was the players that decided this game. Call after call after call after call, its the same old story when Fisher plays at home.

Congratulations regardless, but that was asinine. 8 on 5 is not the way a championship game should be played.

What was so bad with the refs this time, grad?

"Hey ref, get off your knees! You're blowing the game!"

Well, to name a few, the intentional foul that wasnt called, the technical that wasn't called, the 4 fouls in 30 seconds after that call on Utica to appease kornaker when he should have been t'd, the 15-20 rapings that weren't called, the foul with 1 second left in regulation that wasn't called, not giving Utica the timeout when they called it, the travel that wasn't that was a 5 point turnaround..... I could go on.


I have been told in conversations after games many times by the radio guys for Utica that the officials do not decide games. For them to come out and say that the refs are doing their best to make sure UC can't win and for them to say that the game was not decided by the players means, literally, that they would have to be the most blatanly obvious terrible calls that you could possibly imagine.

C'mon, guys. The refs? Again? You can't say the refs favored Fisher when one of them looked like he was about two seconds from punching Kornaker in the second half. Utica was in the DOUBLE-BONUS with 9 minutes left in the second half!! Think about that. Double-bonus. Nine minutes left. And you're blaming the refs? I really wanted to root for Utica today but you guys give us too many reasons not to.

Look, it was an immensely physical game. The referees were inconsistent but they were INCONSISTENT BOTH WAYS. I'm an unbiased observer here and I don't think the refs decided that game. And UCgrad, I didn't come on here last night complaining about the refs when Utica could have easily been called for about 8-10 handchecks on Burton and probably called for reach-in's on about 80% of their defensive possessions. Please stop blaming the refs. For your sake, you lose credibility when you do.

[bjgiants6]

Hey Fisher fans, congrats on another E8 Title! Couldn't go to the game today, was their a lot of fans at the game? Was it loud? I went last weekend when Fisher beat Utica and there was basically nobody there. Who gets in the NCAA Tourny now that Brockport lost? Thanks.

[UCgrad45]

Wow, bombers thinks the refs couldnt have possibly helped when it comes to Utica... I'm shocked.   (By the way, read more, post less, havnt said a word about the refs in any game all year)



Its one thing when there are a few calls here and there, but when you can point to at least 10 calls that were 3-7 point turnarounds, all in favor of one team....


This is the same court I witnessed the refs twice giving fisher the ball back in 1 minute when they fell or stepped over the line while inbounding and claimed the floor was wet. That kind of thing happens to every team that plays there. It's nothing new.

[gobombers15]

Wow, bombers thinks the refs couldnt have possibly helped when it comes to Utica... I'm shocked.   (By the way, read more, post less, havnt said a word about the refs in any game all year)



Its one thing when there are a few calls here and there, but when you can point to at least 10 calls that were 3-7 point turnarounds, all in favor of one team....


This is the same court I witnessed the refs twice giving fisher the ball back in 1 minute when they fell or stepped over the line while inbounding and claimed the floor was wet. That kind of thing happens to every team that plays there. It's nothing new.

I saw calls that were not in Fisher's favor that I think they'd normally get. For example, when McSweeney had been stationary for a good second before Herring plowed into him. The refs called an "and one" and a blocking foul on McSweeney. It was a poor call. I guarantee you that if you ask Goodemote or Ray Bryant why Utica lost today, "refereeing" would not be in either of their top five reasons. Every 50/50 call in the women's game today went in Elmira's favor, as well. Ithaca players knew it came with the territory of playing the game in Elmira's gym. You gotta battle through it. It's part of the homecourt advantage. Not condoning it, but it happens and there's nothing you can do. Not once while I was watching this game did I think "wow, these refs are terrible, what's going on here?" And I really could have cared less who won that game. Fisher looked visibly frustrated with many calls today. I think the officiating was inconsistent, but it was consistently inconsistent both ways and that's all you can ask for.

[superman57]

agreed bad calls went both ways...and utica had their chances and did not capitalize