Empire 8

[ksc218]

i don't know how many of you were at the fisher/brockport game but would anyone put good and refs in the same sentence? i'm not even claiming all the calls went to brockport but I'm rather sure fisher lost the game because brockport got into bonus and double bonus too quick and kept churning the lead after these faux fouls.

[bjgiants6]

Yeah bport, they scored a lot of points in the second half. Fishers  foul shooting was horrible(8-17). What do you think about tom. nights game? Close game?

[bjgiants6]

Let me say this, Brockport didn't get a lot of calls either, it was even in my opinion. Williams was unbelieavble. Did having two freshman in the backcourt catch up to Fisher? Not taking anything away from Harris and Clarke.

[superman57]

no I think brockport did exactly what they needed to do...the made it so McSweeny was a non factor and they got Fisher in foul trouble...nothing against Adrian but he can't do it himself...Fisher went away from their bread and butter and congrats to port for that....



edit:Port fans make sure you take the Wooster team out for a few drinks at Coyote Joes and then over to Tahoues

[sjfcards]

Just got back home from the Fisher/Brockport game. The reffing was terrible...terrible...terrible...but it was very bad both ways. I will say that I think Brockport is a better team. If the two teams played 10 times I think Brockport would win 6 of them. They can score a ton (see 66 points in the 2nd half) and they hit a lot of free throws.

Fisher had a great season, especially for what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. A nice run to the sweet 16 is nothing to be down about. I think as a fisher fan you have to be stoked about next year. Newman, Baltz, Beigle, and some other contributers comming back it is looking good.

Good luck to Brockport tomorrow. I hope they can pull out another win tomorrow night, and get to the final four. I think they can win. They score a lot of points and they can run with Wooster. Go get em...

[keystonelight]

this evening i have a few things to say...one for the wooster fan who made his own garbage plate...i applaud you for attempting it it's not easy when i make my own i don't put nearly the care you did into it and yes that is a ton of food haha... i wouldn't suggest a dog and a burger next tiem though...pick one and stick with it

[keystonelight]

as far as the reffing was concerned it was aweful. Other college refs in the stands agreeing. However if they didn't call all those fouls how out of hand would that game have been? It was physical from the get go with 5 from brockport and mueller starting to get into it. Also i feel that the fouls held the game back which is hard to defend because even then it was one of the better games i've seen in a while, probably since the first fisher u of r game. Its weird for me to say this but i havn't been angry to lose to brockport either time this season, that is one hell of a team and i am picking them to go to atleast the championship game maybe win it all, they are deep and have excellent guard play and great presence down low. I think they handle wooster by atleast 10 after watching the game. Although i could be totally mistaken as to how good wooster is seeing as how they had just traveled 6 hours.

[keystonelight]

Lastly i think fisher would have had a better chance of atleast making the loss a prettier one, better than by 14 or whatever it was. In the 2nd half they played atleast a 6 minute stretch with no point guard. Its muellers job to look for open shots (few and far between this evening) but impossible when he's charged with the duty to handle the ball. McKeever was the only guard fisher had that was untouchable and unphased by brockports defense, much better matchup for their #5 (who played out of his mind tonight and hopefully continues to) Congratulations to brokport on an excellent season thus far beginning fishers season and ending it. Its refreshing to see that uptempo basketball played so well.

[DirkDiggler]

I read alot on these posts but seldom post.  The thing that really gets me is about the refs.  I know I wasn't at the games but it seems like after every big loss for Fisher, or big win, someone has something to say about the refs.  Seriously people, have you ever tried to referee in your life before?  I highly doubt it, and if you have, I highly doubt it was such a high maintance game such as Fisher/Naz or Fisher/Brockport in the sweet 16.  I would love to see you guys make a block/charge call in a fraction of a second.  I bet my life on it that none of you could do it on a consistent basis.  I just have a personal bisas for the refs.

That being said, I tip my hat to Brockport for winning the game.  I wasn't there but it sounds like you guys executed your game plan to perfection.  Being good friends of Dan McSweeney and Dan Mueller and A-Feynen, I wish you guys could have had a better ending to your career.

On to next year season, I think Fishers' success depends on who transfers and what freshman they get in.  I only hope Mckeaver, Keirnan, and Coyne stay around to enjoy another year.

[keystonelight]

I'd be suprised if any freshmen stayed... anyone wonder where kyle stevens has been? yeah...nice coaching blunder there kornaker... ask in confidence of your players who is transfering next year and someone speaks up then the coach cuts you and has you removed even from the website less than an hour later? thats the kornaker i've come to know and not love.

[superman57]

the thing is the freshman know coming in that they won't get much playing time they know what the roster looks like...I think you might get a few of the kids who don't think they are good enough leaving the team...and dirk you say that we always bash the refs....I was not at the game but did listen to it...and when there are as many fouls called that there were and 4 of your starters are on the bench with 8 minutes left with 4 fouls thats a lot of fouls....now Brockport did a better job of bringing in people so all of there fouls were spread out amongst players

[slickyquick]

One thing that could have changed the way the game was played was the refs. The main thing was that Brockport was more aggressive in their dribble penetration and when your guards are more physical and better athletes it would be tough for fisher to get in the paint. If you watch any game, the more dribble penetration you have the more the refs will support you. I would think that goes for just about every level.

[sjfcards]

I read alot on these posts but seldom post.  The thing that really gets me is about the refs.  I know I wasn't at the games but it seems like after every big loss for Fisher, or big win, someone has something to say about the refs.  Seriously people, have you ever tried to referee in your life before?  I highly doubt it, and if you have, I highly doubt it was such a high maintance game such as Fisher/Naz or Fisher/Brockport in the sweet 16.  I would love to see you guys make a block/charge call in a fraction of a second.  I bet my life on it that none of you could do it on a consistent basis.  I just have a personal bisas for the refs.

That being said, I tip my hat to Brockport for winning the game.  I wasn't there but it sounds like you guys executed your game plan to perfection.  Being good friends of Dan McSweeney and Dan Mueller and A-Feynen, I wish you guys could have had a better ending to your career.

On to next year season, I think Fishers' success depends on who transfers and what freshman they get in.  I only hope Mckeaver, Keirnan, and Coyne stay around to enjoy another year.

very true but that is why I do not pretend to be a college referee. It was not the blockig/charge fouls it was the about 25 (by my unofficial count) traveling calls that they missed, that were about 70% Brockport and 30% fisher.
Also they missed a very easy call at a big moment in the 2nd half. Fisher had just scored to cut brockports lead to 2. On the the inbound play the brockport big man stepped out of bounds, then the brockport guard(#5) grabbed the ball and stepped out of bounds. He (#5) then threw the ball into play, and the Brockport big man ran from out of bounds a grabbed the ball. Making him the first player to touch the ball after comming from out of bounds. It would not have/did not make the difference in the game. But anybody who is worth anything as a ref could make a very simple call like that. It was calls like that all night, that all refs, and I mean all refs, could make.

That is why people are complaining about the refs. As I said last night the refs were awful both ways...but they wre very very bad.

[Pat Coleman]

This unbiased eye puts the traveling non-calls at about four.

[bjgiants6]

Pat, can you give us a quick take about the two games last night. Who do you think will win tonight Wooster or Brockport?