Empire 8

JQV · October 17, 2007, 09:53:30 AM

Quote from: bball05 on October 16, 2007, 04:32:59 PM
Utica is gonna suprise everyone ... no1 realizes it

Hmmmmmm...first post? This is a player.

FisherDynasty · October 17, 2007, 10:38:40 AM

Utica is going to surprise everyone how? it's not like there predicted to be a bottom feeder. A surprise would be to win the league which would be a surprise for any team, seeing how no one has one the league besides Fisher in the last 5 years.

JQV · October 17, 2007, 02:52:54 PM

Quote from: FisherDynasty on October 17, 2007, 10:38:40 AM
Utica is going to surprise everyone how? it's not like there predicted to be a bottom feeder. A surprise would be to win the league which would be a surprise for any team, seeing how no one has one the league besides Fisher in the last 5 years.

Realization alert: I have been out of college for 5 years...damn.

Cadillac · October 18, 2007, 01:14:50 PM

3 years and change here... seems like a past life.

Anyway, the IC transfer to Fisher is Brian Kern. Looks like he was a spot player 2 seasons ago; not on the varsity roster last year.

Caz Bombers · October 18, 2007, 01:42:02 PM

Thanks for the info. Thankfully it's nobody who was actually useful.

Cadillac · October 19, 2007, 12:19:04 AM

Did Kern leave any impression at all?

I don't think anyone on the Fisher squad expected him to do much of anything, but they've been surprised.

I gathered he's a fringe rotation guy. 8th or 9th man.

Caz Bombers · October 19, 2007, 10:34:44 AM

Quote from: Cadillac on October 19, 2007, 12:19:04 AM
Did Kern leave any impression at all?

I don't think anyone on the Fisher squad expected him to do much of anything, but they've been surprised.

I gathered he's a fringe rotation guy. 8th or 9th man.

In his only season at IC, 2005-06, he played in 21 of 29 games off the bench averaging 2.6 ppg and 1.0 rpg in about 10 minutes per contest; so yeah, fringe guy at best during the height of our rampantly mediocre years. I think we're still at that height, actually.

sjfcards · October 21, 2007, 02:04:42 PM

Any word out there about the team that Fisher will put on the floor? Just going from last years team, and only from memory I have a rough idea. Is there any standout Freshman? Or any other surprises out there? McSweeny and Mueller are big losses, however, Fisher usually finds a way to fill in the blanks. I know Smalt and Beigle should keep the bigs competitive, but is there a true big man that will get minutes?

Any word on Stevens? I really have no idea what to expect. I know they had a great run at the end of last year, but will the E8 teams be more of a challenge.

Wow, a lot of questions to be answered in the next few weeks. Obviously I would think Fisher is on the inside track to win the league (through no analysis other than they win the league most of the time.)
Any info, on any team, would be appreciated. Anybody have a rundown of all the teams in the league. Who the key guys are and all that good stuff?

Caz Bombers · October 21, 2007, 05:08:29 PM

Some teams haven't updated rosters yet, when that happens I'll poke around some sites and see what we've got.

ICbombers06 · October 21, 2007, 07:13:02 PM

Kern is a really good athlete, but physically wasn't ready for the college level...I think he transferred to Fredonia State after his frosh year and then transferred again to SJF. Definitely wouldn't expect him to be an impact player right away, but should get minutes.

Cadillac · October 22, 2007, 12:33:36 AM

Quote from: sjfcards on October 21, 2007, 02:04:42 PM
Any word out there about the team that Fisher will put on the floor?

JMO-
PG-Newman
SG-Baltz
SF-Bearden
PF-Beigel
C-Smalt

McKeever, Coyne, Lidell off the bench... with plenty of opportunities for others to step up.

Quote from: sjfcards on October 21, 2007, 02:04:42 PMIs there any standout Freshman? Or any other surprises out there?

Ozell Franklin's going to get some run. Very athletic, could play 2-4. Needs to work on court sense and playing within the team.
Will Cornett will get a look alongside HS teammate Newman.
Other than that, lots of ?'s.

Quote from: sjfcards on October 21, 2007, 02:04:42 PMis there a true big man that will get minutes?

No real surprises here.

Cadillac · October 22, 2007, 12:35:02 AM

Quote from: ICbombers06 on October 21, 2007, 07:13:02 PM
Kern is a really good athlete, but physically wasn't ready for the college level...I think he transferred to Fredonia State after his frosh year and then transferred again to SJF. Definitely wouldn't expect him to be an impact player right away, but should get minutes.

I heard he's rusty, but looking good enough to challenge Matt Haley for first big off the bench.

FisherDynasty · October 22, 2007, 09:49:02 AM

After the first few games and the rotation gets situated, i predict it to look like this:

PG: neuman - 6'2 (25-30 min) - 10 ppg
SG: Baltz - 6'2 (25-30 min) - 15 ppg
SF: Bearden - 6'3 (30 min) - 8-12 ppg (x factor)
PF: Beigal - 6'5 (25-30 min - more if can be kept out of foul trouble) 10-15 ppg
C: Smaltz - 6'5 (25-30 min) - 10 ppg

PG: Coyne (5 min)) , Mckeever (5 min) - 5 ppg combined
SG: Ozell Franklin (10 m) - 4 ppg - backing up baltz
SF: Kern (5 min), Ozell (5m) 4 ppg combined at the 3
PF/C: Matt Haley - 6'8 (15m) & Mike Wopperer - 6'6 (10 m) 8 ppg combined

Fisher will be strong overall not great as they don't have much depth especially at the big positions. Look for Bearden to get high minutes and shifting down to the 4 spot a lot as i feel wopperer and haley wont be fully ready this year. I can see the line up looking a lot like this for majority of the game after beigal picks up his 3 fould in 10 minutes or isiah getting in one of his slumps. Especially in the E8 where the majority of teams are very small. or even putting mckeever/coyne at the two and neuman at the one and going with a more experienced guard oriented offense.

neuman
baltz
franklin
bearden
beigal/smalt

As for Kern: hes about 6'4, lengthy but not very strong especially with the ball. He has very good ball skills, nice jumper and good springs. Hes a slasher and likes to penetrate. However, will take a while to get used to the fisher system as he played for ithaca and fredonia in the past. He has to get better at driving and kicking instead of driving and getting stuck with the ball either turning it over or shooting up a bad shot. He also needs to work on his 3 pt shot as everyone on fisher's perimeter needs to be able to shoot the ball. I think he will have a few good games of which he really helps fisher win, but the majority of the time will be a role player giving bearden some rest. The following year i think he will be good after he gets stronger and a year with the system. As far as Stevens, im pretty positive hes not at fisher and will be playing for geneseo and likely being a role player there as well.

sjfcards · October 24, 2007, 08:18:45 PM

Thanks for the info boys...It looks like Fisher will have a lot of work to do with the loss of McSweeny and Mueller. I like Newman and Baltz, and I think Beigle, when he stays out of foul trouble, is a solid player inside as a 4 man. I am not sure about Smalt as the full time big man.

I would like to think that Fisher is a team that can win 20 games as they have done every year for what seems like forever. I don't know tho. I think they need to have some young guys step up big for them this year. I believe in Kornaker's ability to put a team on the floor, and I hope they will be fine. This is a big time homer talking here tho.

reelentless · October 24, 2007, 09:50:34 PM

The Utica roster is up. Anybody know anything about the new guys?