Empire 8

[e8bballfan]

Who from Naz approached you after the game? A coach, a trainer, a player? More importantly, why would someone do that? What a dumbass...

[FisherDynasty]

Screwed or not Screwed, you never leave the game up to the ref's.  Good teams find ways to win regardless.

[e8bballfan]

Screwed or not Screwed, you never leave the game up to the ref's.  Good teams find ways to win regardless.

True that!

[UCgrad45]

Screwed or not Screwed, you never leave the game up to the ref's.  Good teams find ways to win regardless.

Outrebounded them 34-27, outscored them from the floor (18-45 for naz, Utica 24-57), 9 three point FG's for UC to 3 for naz, 17 assists for UC to 12 for naz,  less turnovers than naz, 36-5 bench points....

Not much more UC could do aside from try to knock out the jerkoff ref that has a long history of crapping on them.

It was all the same guy the whole time. He was being evaluated that day by a D1 ref, who was not at all happy with his performance.

[UCgrad45]

Who from Naz approached you after the game? A coach, a trainer, a player? More importantly, why would someone do that? What a dumbass...

One of their "entourage" who I was seated next to during the game. Nodded their head in agreement when Utica people would make a comment about terrible call after terrible call being made.

There wasn't a player on Naz that didn't know they had it handed to them on a silver platter. There were charges called when the players were so far out of bounds that they were almost in the hallway. There were 4 foul calls on Utica in the last minute, none of which was even close to a foul. The guy had an agenda, and made sure he got the result he wanted.

People that I have never heard complain about a ref in almost a decade (always said you can't blame officials) changed their tune for this one. It was blatant and disgusting. Wasn't just a call here or there, it was the theme of the night.

[UCgrad45]

Who from Naz approached you after the game? A coach, a trainer, a player? More importantly, why would someone do that? What a dumbass...

Unlike fans of teams, people who have some kind of affiliation with a team speak candidly with each other before and after games. If UC got royal treatment, I'd be the first to tell someone on the other team that it happened that way.

[superman57]

ok bamm, why are you so down on Fisher this year...I will admit that I haven't followed them a lot yet, but they have a win in the bag vs. RIT and have lost against some very solid teams... are they going to be great this year...no, but what can you expect you can only reign on top so long before you have to rebuild for a year or two

[Caz Bombers]

I think SJF is getting back up to speed but that loss to Hobart looks particularly bad these days.  We'll learn a lot about the Cards by close of business Jan 18; 3 Chase games plus at Naz and home with Stevens.

[bamm]

ok bamm, why are you so down on Fisher this year...I will admit that I haven't followed them a lot yet, but they have a win in the bag vs. RIT and have lost against some very solid teams... are they going to be great this year...no, but what can you expect you can only reign on top so long before you have to rebuild for a year or two

Umm... given their record and performance to date I think I'm judging them pretty objectively (as much as it pains me to do so). 

And as Caz Bombers mentioned... Fisher lost to Hobart.  At home.  Hobart has been defeated by Elmira and Cazenovia. 

If I wanted to be "down" on them, I would certainly have good reason.

[gobombers15]

God, I get a headache each time I have to catch up on several posts from UCgrad. First, it was the D1 evaluator who made comments to you after the Naz game about the ref's terrible performance, now it is a member of the Naz "entourage" doing the same. What's next? Are you going to post in a couple of weeks that you now have a taped statement from Joe Canori and the McAdam brothers where they say it was their opinion that they weren't worthy to be in the same gym as Utica and the refs won that game for Naz.  And if a Naz fan did say this to you, why didn't you bring it up in the immediate aftermath of that game when you were complaining about everything else? Come on, who believes this garbage??

Bamm hit it on the head, UCgrad is just getting obnoxious. Making a statement like Utica is "far superior" to Ithaca is a joke. Best case for Utica, they're evenly matched teams this year. Keep complaining about the officials, UCgrad. I wouldn't be surprised if they read these boards (a lot of people do without posting). You're not doing your team a favor by incessantly complaining about them. And, by the way, Utica does foul a lot. Here's the amount of FT shots that Utica and their opponents have taken in the last four games

1/5   Ithaca 36, Utica 22
1/4   Elmira 29, Utica 13
12/8 RIT 15, Utica 3
12/7 Nazareth 33, Utica 7

In those four games, Utica has taken 45 FT's while their opponents have attempted 113. There has been a double-digit difference in every one of those games. You cannot really be making the argument that all 12 of those officials have it in for Utica. The Pioneers just try playing aggressive defense and get called for a lot of fouls. If you want to give up less FT's, stop hacking so much.

Besides, your statistical analysis from the Naz games shows nothing. There wasn't much of a disparity in the major stats. Naz shot 40% from the field, Utica shot 42%. Can't tell from that stat who'd win a game. Naz turned it over 13 times, Utica turned it over 12 times. Again, no major difference. The rebounding margin was only +7 in Utica's favor. That's not that big of a deal. You lost the game, get over it. But if you want to give me Naz and 20 points in the second meeting, I'll happily accept those points.

[superman57]

ok bamm, why are you so down on Fisher this year...I will admit that I haven't followed them a lot yet, but they have a win in the bag vs. RIT and have lost against some very solid teams... are they going to be great this year...no, but what can you expect you can only reign on top so long before you have to rebuild for a year or two

Umm... given their record and performance to date I think I'm judging them pretty objectively (as much as it pains me to do so). 

And as Caz Bombers mentioned... Fisher lost to Hobart.  At home.  Hobart has been defeated by Elmira and Cazenovia. 

If I wanted to be "down" on them, I would certainly have good reason.

I'm not blaming...just trying to get up to speed... have you seen them play.... what is unimpressive about this years squad

[bamm]

Here they are:

Men

Wednesday at SUNY Geneseo

No. 1 Rochester vs. No. 8 Keuka, 6;15 p.m.

No. 7 Roberts Wesleyan at No. 2 SUNY Geneseo, 8:15 p.m.

Wednesday at Fisher

No. 3 Nazareth vs. No. 6 RIT, 6:15 p.m.

No. 4 SUNY Brockport at No. 5 Fisher, 8:15 p.m.

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Fisher catches a break, in my mind -- playing a Brockport team that is reeling.  We'll see if that holds true.

[Caz Bombers]

Some break.  Angry, talented Brockport + SJF home gym advantage = probably great game coming up.

[FisherDynasty]

break my ass, that is a horrible break. Yes they have been in a slump, but lets be honest we all know there going to come together and they're very talented.  Id rather play any other team besides UofR.  The only good thing about this match up is, bport isnt in the e8, It sucks playing teams 3 and possible 4 times a year.  Idk if Fisher is going to be able to handle port in round 1.

[UCgrad45]

God, I get a headache each time I have to catch up on several posts from UCgrad. First, it was the D1 evaluator who made comments to you after the Naz game about the ref's terrible performance, now it is a member of the Naz "entourage" doing the same. What's next? Are you going to post in a couple of weeks that you now have a taped statement from Joe Canori and the McAdam brothers where they say it was their opinion that they weren't worthy to be in the same gym as Utica and the refs won that game for Naz.  And if a Naz fan did say this to you, why didn't you bring it up in the immediate aftermath of that game when you were complaining about everything else? Come on, who believes this garbage??

Bamm hit it on the head, UCgrad is just getting obnoxious. Making a statement like Utica is "far superior" to Ithaca is a joke. Best case for Utica, they're evenly matched teams this year. Keep complaining about the officials, UCgrad. I wouldn't be surprised if they read these boards (a lot of people do without posting). You're not doing your team a favor by incessantly complaining about them. And, by the way, Utica does foul a lot. Here's the amount of FT shots that Utica and their opponents have taken in the last four games

1/5   Ithaca 36, Utica 22
1/4   Elmira 29, Utica 13
12/8 RIT 15, Utica 3
12/7 Nazareth 33, Utica 7

In those four games, Utica has taken 45 FT's while their opponents have attempted 113. There has been a double-digit difference in every one of those games. You cannot really be making the argument that all 12 of those officials have it in for Utica. The Pioneers just try playing aggressive defense and get called for a lot of fouls. If you want to give up less FT's, stop hacking so much.

Besides, your statistical analysis from the Naz games shows nothing. There wasn't much of a disparity in the major stats. Naz shot 40% from the field, Utica shot 42%. Can't tell from that stat who'd win a game. Naz turned it over 13 times, Utica turned it over 12 times. Again, no major difference. The rebounding margin was only +7 in Utica's favor. That's not that big of a deal. You lost the game, get over it. But if you want to give me Naz and 20 points in the second meeting, I'll happily accept those points.

Riggghhht. Outscoring a team by 21 from the field and winning the battle in EVERY statistical category and still losing doesn't say anything about the officiating.

Run along, it's past your bedtime.

By the way, when UC had everyone, you got smoked. End of story. The only thing I was wrong about was that I told the guys on UC that they would have won by 15 with Bobby, it was only 12.