Empire 8

[UCgrad45]

And bombers, educate yourself before you speak. Go ahead and ask a ref before a game if D1 refs evaluate them in early season games.

Jim Burr was evaluating at the UC-sunyit game the week before. As a Syracuse fan, I wanted to hurl when I saw him.

Either way, you are only as good as your last game. If IC sweeps Utica the next 2 years, they can even their record against them since 2004. Not too shabby.

[Caz Bombers]

And bombers, educate yourself before you speak. Go ahead and ask a ref before a game if D1 refs evaluate them in early season games.

Jim Burr was evaluating at the UC-sunyit game the week before. As a Syracuse fan, I wanted to hurl when I saw him.

Either way, you are only as good as your last game. If IC sweeps Utica the next 2 years, they can even their record against them since 2004. Not too shabby.

It was a two-possession game with 90 seconds left.  Congrats on winning a home game you absolutely had to have to save the rest of your season from being a "play out the string" scenario.  IC is not in such dire straits.  Get over yourself.  We'll all definitely be sure to keep the bolded statement in mind the next time Utica loses.

[gobombers15]

And bombers, educate yourself before you speak. Go ahead and ask a ref before a game if D1 refs evaluate them in early season games.

Jim Burr was evaluating at the UC-sunyit game the week before. As a Syracuse fan, I wanted to hurl when I saw him.

Either way, you are only as good as your last game. If IC sweeps Utica the next 2 years, they can even their record against them since 2004. Not too shabby.

After some of your recent posts, I don't think you have to worry about people questioning my education. Lest we forget which one of us concocts stories about postgame run-in's with an opposing team's fans. Or which one of us calls out another team's depth when the other team's top three bench players (IC) produce as much as another team's top five bench players (UC). Shall I continue?

By the way, I congratulate you on waiting a mere one sentence before contradicting yourself. You say a team is only as good as their last game in one breath, then you immediately suggest that Ithaca isn't as good as Utica unless they get two seasons worth of victories against them. Which is it? Is a team only as good as their last game or is a team only as good as the last three years?

God, I get a headache each time I have to catch up on several posts from UCgrad. First, it was the D1 evaluator who made comments to you after the Naz game about the ref's terrible performance, now it is a member of the Naz "entourage" doing the same. What's next? Are you going to post in a couple of weeks that you now have a taped statement from Joe Canori and the McAdam brothers where they say it was their opinion that they weren't worthy to be in the same gym as Utica and the refs won that game for Naz.  And if a Naz fan did say this to you, why didn't you bring it up in the immediate aftermath of that game when you were complaining about everything else? Come on, who believes this garbage??

Bamm hit it on the head, UCgrad is just getting obnoxious. Making a statement like Utica is "far superior" to Ithaca is a joke. Best case for Utica, they're evenly matched teams this year. Keep complaining about the officials, UCgrad. I wouldn't be surprised if they read these boards (a lot of people do without posting). You're not doing your team a favor by incessantly complaining about them. And, by the way, Utica does foul a lot. Here's the amount of FT shots that Utica and their opponents have taken in the last four games

1/5   Ithaca 36, Utica 22
1/4   Elmira 29, Utica 13
12/8 RIT 15, Utica 3
12/7 Nazareth 33, Utica 7

In those four games, Utica has taken 45 FT's while their opponents have attempted 113. There has been a double-digit difference in every one of those games. You cannot really be making the argument that all 12 of those officials have it in for Utica. The Pioneers just try playing aggressive defense and get called for a lot of fouls. If you want to give up less FT's, stop hacking so much.

Besides, your statistical analysis from the Naz games shows nothing. There wasn't much of a disparity in the major stats. Naz shot 40% from the field, Utica shot 42%. Can't tell from that stat who'd win a game. Naz turned it over 13 times, Utica turned it over 12 times. Again, no major difference. The rebounding margin was only +7 in Utica's favor. That's not that big of a deal. You lost the game, get over it. But if you want to give me Naz and 20 points in the second meeting, I'll happily accept those points.

Riggghhht. Outscoring a team by 21 from the field and winning the battle in EVERY statistical category and still losing doesn't say anything about the officiating.

Run along, it's past your bedtime.

By the way, when UC had everyone, you got smoked. End of story. The only thing I was wrong about was that I told the guys on UC that they would have won by 15 with Bobby, it was only 12.

You just don't get it, do you? You really think that outscoring a team by 21 from the field means something?! Of course you outscored them by that much from the field, I'm sure Naz had difficulty putting the ball in the basket will all the UC players hacking the life out of them. I'll walk through this for you. It means nothing if Utica hits two jumpers but then twice fouls a Naz player and allows Naz to score 4 points from the free throw line. Sure, you "outscored them by 4 from the field" but that means nothing. Nothing!! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF POINTS!!!!

And it doesn't matter if you won every statistical category if it's only by 1 turnover, or 2% from the field. Especially when you're giving up so many FT's. It's not like the amount of FT's that Naz took is an outlier relative to the rest of UC's games, as illustrated by my earlier post showing how many FT's Utica's last four opponents have taken. Utica should stop hacking. Oh wait, then Utica won't outscore it's opponents by so many from the field so nevermind...they wouldn't want to mess with your favorite stat like that

Past my bedtime? I live in New Orleans. You live in Utica. With all due respect to upstate New York, which is where I grew up, I don't think I need to go on about which is a later city or has more late-night options.

As Caz said, it was a 5-point game with 90 seconds left. A mediocre team that plays well at home beat a pretty good team that is still inconsistent on the road in a Saturday afternoon game (tougher for the road team to win than the Friday night games). I'd say that I'm looking forward to the two teams meeting again, but unfortunately I think your team is going to be conspicuously absent from the event where that would be possible.

[bamm]

Some break.  Angry, talented Brockport + SJF home gym advantage = probably great game coming up.

break my ass, that is a horrible break. Yes they have been in a slump, but lets be honest we all know there going to come together and they're very talented.  Id rather play any other team besides UofR.  The only good thing about this match up is, bport isnt in the e8, It sucks playing teams 3 and possible 4 times a year.  Idk if Fisher is going to be able to handle port in round 1.

Don't want to argue too much about this, because Port may very well win -- but talent doesn't mean much when you are playing terribly.  They still don't have even a single impressive victory.  I know Brockport generally turns it on in January, so we'll see if that holds true. 

[FisherDynasty]

I def. hear ya Bamm.  Last year when harris and paris joined the team, they lost their first two games or 2 out of 3 then got it together right around this time or shortly after this time.  So we'll see, could be good to play them now versus later, but still would rather play any other team but UofR. Either way, if you want a shot at winning the chase, theres going to be tough games, theres not many easy games and Fisher deserves to play a tough first game due to there subpar performance first semester.

[JQV]

The idea that a ref was "out to get" UC just cracks me up on all levels.  I didn't even know UC had athletics until like January of my freshman year when we had a game against them...and my mom is FROM UTICA.  Who is this ref, Ray Finkel?  What has UC ever done that would lead a ref to dislike them?  It's not like they have won anything...in any sport...ever. 

(I'd like to apologize, in advance, to DC who will almost certainly take offense to this post.  I just think the whole situation is hilarious.)

[bamm]

Anyone else paying attention to Corey McAdam's stats this season?  He's on the per-game leaderboard at #11 for points (14.1), #1 for assists (9.9), #12 for rebounds (5.9), and #1 for steals (2.5).  He's also second on the team in blocks, which I find amusing, because I didn't think Naz even bothered to defend shots.

I am always skeptical of the assists stat, because it is the only one where the nature of the scorekeeper is important -- but in McAdam's case I tend to believe it's legitimate (especially given Naz's 82 ppg output).

[FisherDynasty]

I know his stats are pretty unreal.  However, having seen him play twice this season and three times last season I was never impressed.  Naz runs their whole offense through him, forcing him to create every single time which leads to his high number of assists.  Not saying that is a cheap way to get them, bc in the end, he still has to make the play.  But, he turns the ball over plenty (which is also fine seeing how much he has the ball) but doesnt distribute the ball around enough or to the right players at the right times.  I wasn't impressed in any of the showings that I've seen him play in, you never would have guessed his stats were as high as they were from watching the games.  There are 3 or 4 pgs in the E8 I'd chose over him if i had to pick a pg on my team. Not saying his isnt good, bc I think he is a good player no doubt, just not as good as the stats show.  Stats are stats, its the intangibles that make good players great such as good defense, getting others involved, leadership etc.

[gobombers15]

Onto the next thing that's been eating at me. Why is everyone so down on Naz? They played without Ryan McAdam against Stevens on Saturday and still took the #13 team in the country to 2OT. Naz GAVE that game away. They were ahead by 12 with under 8 minutes, by 9 with 5 minutes, by 7 with 3 minutes, and up 4 with 12 seconds left. We know they have trouble holding leads late, but that doesn't make them a bad team. That team is damn good, regardless of what many on the board say.

Oh, and Naz gave up 70 in regulation to Stevens. Lower than what several other E8 teams have allowed to the Ducks in 40 minutes. Not sure the fact that Stevens ended up with 100 means anything, really.

From now on, I'm doing my best not to sound angry with other posters. But it's hard, sometimes. Fewer stupid and baseless opinions would go far in helping me. You know who I'm talking to.

[FisherDynasty]

I agree Naz is good and can be very good with Ryan.

[Razor]

Having seen Corey in HS and many times in college, I'd have to respectfully disagree with you Fisher Dynasty on your assessment of Corey as a player...and to say that there are 4 other PGs in the E8 that you'd take over him is one of the most assanine statements I've ever seen posted on here.  Who would you take over him??  I hope your not referring to Newman.  The only other PG in the conference that can ever pose an argument is Burton.  I am by know means a Naz fan, but Corey is that good.  You ask coach Neer, Coach McVean, Coach Kornaker or any other coach in the area and they wouldn't hesitate to tell you how good he really is.  I would take him over any other PG in the SUNYACs as well.  Let's not forget that he's only a sophomore and lets not forget his numbers from last year either.  There is a reason that Naz runs their offense thru him--because he makes others better.  They have other guys that can handle the ball and make plays--Ryan, Canori, Higdon.  I can tell you as someone who has recruited for the last 5 years, he's the best D3 caliber PG that I ever saw.  NOT the best...but the BEST D3 Caliber one.  By the way, after catching up on the 50 posts from UC grad over the last 3 days, one thing has become quite clear to me...he's lost his freaking mind.  Bamm, I'd have to agree with you in pointing out his obnoxiousness, and even adding dimensia and insanity to his profile as well.  Dude you are out of your mind!!

[gobombers15]

Very intrigued by the slate of games at Fisher on Wednesday night. Both Naz v. RIT and Brockport at Fisher should be good ones. Solid four hours of hoops right there.

[FisherDynasty]

I hope my statement didnt come off wrong, I by no way meant that cory is not a good player and one of the best pg's.  Just meant him as a player for POY versus his stats.  He's not the best d3 caliber pg ive ever seen by any means though.  I'd take herrig for Utica and burton from ithaca over him.  Yes hes only a soph, thus is why he is weaker in the pts mentioned in my previous posts.  When McAdam and Newman have matched up last year Newman won both battles by far, however, I still WOULD take McAdam over him.  In the Sunyac, I would rather take anthony williams, periolli, and sharod harris over him in a minute. Ryan, Canori, or higdon are not pg's thus shouldnt be considered in handling the ball.  but either way, I think he's a good player and would want to have him on my team just dont think he is the best player in the league.

[Caz Bombers]

Jose, I am going to assume I (and GB15) had a much better Sunday than you did.  You're next, Tonessica Romimpson.

[JQV]

Jose, I am going to assume I (and GB15) had a much better Sunday than you did.  You're next, Tonessica Romimpson.

The only good thing that came from Sunday was Q saving himself $400 by not opting into his playoff tickets.  Actually, the Bucs played that exact same game about 20 times this fall and the Giants were just one of the teams that made them play.  It reminded me exactly of the Redskins game in which the Bucs only won because they picked off a pass inside the 5 and a pass in the end zone in the final 5 minutes.


Also, I thought that was a pretty good post on McAdam Razor.  Although, if I were you, I would refrain from comments like this:

I can tell you as someone who has recruited for the last 5 years

No one is going to be impressed by the fact that you are recruiting.

Also funny, calling someone the best "D3 caliber" anything.  I know you trying to avoid overstating something, which is appreciated after some of the yahoos that post in the E8Hoop room, but it sounds like a backhanded compliment.  Unintentional comedy = +k from JoseQ.