Empire 8

[Pat Coleman]

No idea but, the two E8TV games I have watched are basically re-broadcasts of the local school's production.  ICTV is not going to just turnover their production for sale.

The conference owns rights to its conference tournament and can give broadcast rights to whomever it wants on its own terms.

[gobombers15]

I like what they did for the Fisher/Ithaca game this past weekend. They took Fisher's student broadcast, which was televised on their campus TV station only, and used it for the E8TV broadcast. Assuming Ithaca hosts, something similar would be a fantastic set-up for the E8 Tourney. ICTV uses graphics, replays, etc., and the production quality is usually top notch, at least as far as campus TV station broadcasts go. Also, ICTV has the score on the screen the whole game which is important, especially considering IC's scoreboard won't be in the camera's view during the run of play like Fisher's scoreboard is.

The caveat, of course, would be that the ICTV broadcast can't be offered for free over the internet. Of course, all this talk about the broadcast implicitly assumes that Ithaca will be hosting, so we've probably given them enough negative karma that will lead to Ithaca getting swept this weekend and missing out on the E8 Tourney (yes, that was reverse psychology).

[FROMAFAR]

One thing learned this year is nothing is definite. There seems to be an annointing of the Tourney being played at Ithaca. They have two teams that will be in the Tourney and they have to beat both.  Yes they are home and it would appear based on track records, they have an excellent chance, but let's not think for one minute that NAZ and Stevens aren't coming in loaded for bear.  Again, what if Utica beats Fisher, and then the unheard of, Hartwick beats Fisher.....  Alright stop loging in so fast, I know that is not remotely likely, BUT I recall saying in an earlier, post watch out for Hartwick, Elmira or Alfred upsetting the apple cart.... That could be it. I also posted, early on, that the winner of this conference could very well end up with 4 loses...  I have learned one very important thing this year...I CLEARY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL.... There is no form. Many say NAZ can't win at Ithaca... well if they do, that ends that.   Many say Stevens suspect on the road, if they beat Ithaca, does that end that theory because they win the most important road game of the year?  The point is there is nothing definite except my lack of getting any sort of grasp on this league.... Let it fly...     

[JQV]

I don't think anyone is annointing IC as the host.  We were merely expressing our preference for free internet TV.

I will admit this.  I have not thought the below for one minute.  But then again, I am not sure what it means. +k.

but let's not think for one minute that NAZ and Stevens aren't coming in loaded for bear.

[FROMAFAR]

It means neither NAZ or Stevens are going to sleep walk through these games. Ithaca is not exactly invincible at home..... but there I go again, looking at form....... Any ideas on this weeks regional rankings??

[gobombers15]

One thing learned this year is nothing is definite. There seems to be an annointing of the Tourney being played at Ithaca. They have two teams that will be in the Tourney and they have to beat both.  Yes they are home and it would appear based on track records, they have an excellent chance, but let's not think for one minute that NAZ and Stevens aren't coming in loaded for bear.  Again, what if Utica beats Fisher, and then the unheard of, Hartwick beats Fisher.....  Alright stop loging in so fast, I know that is not remotely likely, BUT I recall saying in an earlier, post watch out for Hartwick, Elmira or Alfred upsetting the apple cart.... That could be it. I also posted, early on, that the winner of this conference could very well end up with 4 loses...  I have learned one very important thing this year...I CLEARY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL.... There is no form. Many say NAZ can't win at Ithaca... well if they do, that ends that.   Many say Stevens suspect on the road, if they beat Ithaca, does that end that theory because they win the most important road game of the year?  The point is there is nothing definite except my lack of getting any sort of grasp on this league.... Let it fly...     

1) No annointing being done at all. As Jose said, we were only talking about potential production possibilities in the event that it is. I know I used the word "if" and "assuming" plenty of times in any post where I talk about the possibility of Ithaca hosting. That would imply that I recognize that some things still need to happen and break Ithaca's way. Ithaca controls their destiny, but so does Stevens. That's a good thing for both teams.

2) Nobody is saying Naz can't win at Ithaca. Just pointing out the fact that they've struggled there since the inception of the conference and before. If you review my pasts posts on the topic, you'll see I've said only that. Frankly, I don't think Naz will win in Ithaca this season. They've won there once this decade, and that was in '03 when they had guys like Evans, Zablocki, etc., and even then they only got by a mediocre Ithaca team by 3 points. Naz struggles in Ithaca. It's a fact, look it up.

3) Stevens IS suspect on the road. Look at the struggles they've had. Losses at RIT, Fisher, and Utica. Pulled a rabbit out of their hat at Naz thanks to one of Naz's historic collapses down the stretch. Barely slipped by Elmira on the road. Not the best resume, especially relative to how well they play at home. The've failed most of their prominent road tests. Are you disagreeing with that? Beating Ithaca in Ithaca will be a solid road win, but I don't think that changes the fact that they're still not a great road team.

[FROMAFAR]

Jose and Bombers, I hear you, and probably used the wrong word in annointing..  Yes Stevens on the road is suspect, and NAZ at Ithaca is suspect as well.......I guess my only point is whenever we try to use past performance something not expected happens... Hey did we really expect this to be decided before the last weekend. So let's look at scenario once again. Stevens wins they are # 1 seed, they lose they are # 2 seed no matter what else happens? If Stevens loses, and NAZ loses, Ithaca # 1 seed, Stevens # 2, Fischer # 3 NAZ # 4? Stevens wins and NAZ loses, Stevens #1, Fisher #2, (assuming Fisher beats Utica) Ithaca # 3 Naz # 4, If Ithaca loses both and Utica beats Fisher, 1-Stevens 2- Naz 3- Fisher 4- Utica.... I'm dizzy again... Please correct if I'm wrong...   Does anyone know the times these games are being played IN TOURNEY FRIDAY AND SAT>  Keep in mind Stevens Woman won conference.. They play those two days as well at home....?          

[gobombers15]

Jose and Bombers, I hear you, and probably used the wrong word in annointing..  Yes Stevens on the road is suspect, and NAZ at Ithaca is suspect as well.......I guess my only point is whenever we try to use past performance something not expected happens... Hey did we really expect this to be decided before the last weekend. So let's look at scenario once again. Stevens wins they are # 1 seed, they lose they are # 2 seed no matter what else happens? If Stevens loses, and NAZ loses, Ithaca # 1 seed, Stevens # 2, Fischer # 3 NAZ # 4? Stevens wins and NAZ loses, Stevens #1, Fisher #2, (assuming Fisher beats Utica) Ithaca # 3 Naz # 4, If Ithaca loses both and Utica beats Fisher, 1-Stevens 2- Naz 3- Fisher 4- Utica.... I'm dizzy again... Please correct if I'm wrong...   Does anyone know the times these games are being played IN TOURNEY FRIDAY AND SAT>  Keep in mind Stevens Woman won conference.. They play those two days as well at home....?          

If both tourneys are in the same place, they'll probably run it like the did a couple years ago when Fisher hosted both. The women's games will be in the afternoon (1pm and 3pm) and the men's games will be that Friday night (7pm and 9pm). The women's final will be on Saturday afternoon/evening, probably at 4pm, followed by the men's final right after.

If the tourneys are in different places, the semis will be played at 7pm and 9pm (or 6pm and 8pm, whatever) on Friday night, and the finals at 4pm on Saturday. I've been on Central Time the last couple years, so my times might be an hour off, but those are approximately the times that I remember.

[e8bballfan]

On a different note, regular season ends this upcoming weekend, so that means ALL CONFERENCE HONORS will be coming out soon. What are everyones thoughts??

Rookie of the Year:

Evan Taylor, Elmira. Averages over 9ppg, conference Rookie of Week 4 times.

Player of the Year:

Tough call at this point because the next weekend or two could really decide this, but I think it's Mr. Virgil Gray, Stevens. About 16 ppg, 4.4 boards. Best player on best team in the league....Could be Burton if he has good weekend considering they play Stevens friday night.


First Team

Virgil Gray- Stevens
Sean Burton- IC
Doug Herring- Utica
Mark Carson- RIT
Joe Canori- Nazareth

Second

Corey McAdam - Nazareth
Jan Cocococo - Hartwick
Ryan McAdam - Nazareth
Waleed Farid - Stevens
Jeff Bostic - IC

Honorable Mention

Kenny Gethers - RIT
Justin Beigel - Fisher
Chris Baltz - Fisher
Anthony Passalacqua - Stevens
Tim Williams - Stevens

[Cyclone0205]

Hmmm...I have a slightly different take right now

POY:  Sean Burton/Corey McAdam
  I think this will come down to what happens this weekend.  If Ithaca sweeps and locks up the #1, Burton will ride this to POY honors.  Otherwise, I think it'll be Corey.  Bein a nyc guy I'd obviously rather see Gray or Farid get it, but the fact that there's a debate about who's more valuable (as mentioned on this board) will probably keep both from winning it.


1st Team All Conference
Sean Burton - IC
Doug Herring - Utica
Mark Carson - RIT
Corey McAdam - Nazareth
Waleed Farid - Stevens


Pretty much the same.  I flip flop Farid and Gray because Farid is top 5 in 4 categories i believe, while Gray is basically just points per game and that's about it.  Same thing for McAdam over Canori.


2nd Team All Conference
Virgil Gray - Stevens
Joe Canori - Nazareth
Jeff Bostic - IC
Jan Coco - Hartwick
Ryan McAdam - Nazareth

Pretty standard here. 

Honorable Mention
Kenny Gethers - RIT
Tim Williams - Stevens
Sean Leahy - IC
Biegel/Smaltz - Fisher

[FROMAFAR]

I'm going to go alittle different, may cause some qustions

1st Team
               
Burton - IC
Herring - Utica
Carson - RIT
Canori - Naz
Gray - Stevens

2nd team

C. McAdam -  Naz
R. McAdam - Naz
Bostic - IC
Farid - Stevens
Coco - Hartwick

Honorable Mention

Williams - Stevens
Passalaqua - Stevens
Baltz - Fisher
Gethers- RIT
E. Taylor - EC

The reason I have Farid and Corey Mc Adam on 2nd team, rather than 1st. is they have an inordinate amount of turnovers which negates some of the other stats, (in my mind).

Best Mascot.......

Stevens --- DUCK

Best Cheerleaders....

Elmira 

Best antics by coach...

Not really sure since I see most games on internet... BUT since I always have to have an opinion, I'll go with Kornicker.... He has to be working those ref's at Fisher... someone does.     

[smoothswat]

I'm surprised not everyone on here has Corey McAdam as the POY.  I know I'm far from the most knowledgeable E8 fan, but picking Canori over McAdam for first team, or Gray of Farid for that matter, is basically saying points are more important than playing an all around game.  Points are obviously very important but just look at the stats pergame.

McAdam - 13 pts, 5.7 boards, 9 assts. and 3 stls
Canori - 21 pts, 3 boards, 1 asst, 1 stl

Farid - 12 pts, 7.5 boards, 5.4 assts, 2.7 stls
Gray - 16 pts, 4 boards, 2 assts, 2 stls

McAdam accounts for at least 31 pts per game (depending on how many assists lead to 3s) to Canori's 23.  Farid for at least 23 to Gray's 20.  I'm not saying stats speak for everything, but these stats say a lot about McAdam and Farid, who I think both deserve first team honors.  Similar to the sports guy, the MVP should be the guy you would pick first in a pick up game.  If you were a coach, which of these guys are you taking first.  For me, I'd prob say McAdam and then Farid, both players that can do a lot of everything. 

[WICB Sports]

Radio coverage of the Bombers' men's basketball games begins Friday at 7:40 p.m. with Bombers Shootaround on 92 WICB (www.wicb.org).  At 8 p.m., Robert Schroeder and Michael Polak have the call from the Ben Light Gymnasium as the Bombers take on Stevens.

Saturday's men' game against Nazareth will be broadcast on www.vicradio.org, with pregame coverage beginning at 3:40 p.m. and tip-off at 4 p.m.; Michael Polak and Josh Canu have the call.

Both women's games will be broadcast, with coverage of the Ithaca-Stevens games starting at 5:40 p.m. on www.vicradio.org, and coverage of the Ithaca-Naz game starting at 1:40 p.m. on www.wicb.org.

[FROMAFAR]

Smoothswat, I understand your reasoning, BUT as good as McAdams and Fareeds stats are they also turn the ball over much too much... It's not just the offensive stas that make Gray and Canori 1st teamers, (IN MY MIND), it's clutch baskets and go to guys...Hey it is ceratinly debatable, and who knows who gets the NOD, it really doesn't matter though 1st team or 2nd. in my mind they are all very good players and being on 2nd. team doesn't take that away. I think POY comes down to Gray, or Burton.. and maybe McAdam since this weekends games are so important. If Stevens beats Ithaca, and Fisher beats Utica on Friday, The NAZ, Ithaca game Saturday is not that important from an E 8 standings point. It may effect regional rankings however for NAZ if they lose.    

[smoothswat]

I just looked over the stats again, and realized Burton has a pretty high number of assists, although still a high number of turnovers.  While McAdam does have a high number of TOs, he is the only player on the first/second team tier with a 2/1 Asst/TO ratio, Herring is at 1.6/1 and Burton and Farid both around 1.2/1.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like 2/1 is a number rarely achieved throughought the nation, let alone the fact that the other players mentioned for 1st/2nd team are all below 1/1.