Empire 8

[Cards7580]

"...Naz can beat P. state but not Amherst, sucks to be in that bracket. ..."

In your dreams   

[e8bballfan]

If the two teams played again today, UC would easily dispatch them again. They aren't very good and they are not well coached.

Fisher, Ithaca, and Stevens all had more talent than naz. They are probably the worst team that could represent the conference.


You obviously know nothing about Empire 8 basketball. Nazareth has a 15-3 record away from home, no small feat. They also have three players who are arguably first-team all-conference type of players.

I've been directly involved since '99. Care to try again?

Naz is notoriously undisciplined street ballers. They had 1 player that impressed me this year, and even he only turned it on at the end of the game. I don't care what their road record was. They don't play D, they are streaky, and don't have guys that can consistently give you 100%. They step up for Fisher, and got a Stevens team at a time when they were not playing good ball.

They have had these "first team all conference type" players for years, and had one flash in the pan with them. They had D1 transfers that couldn't win.

Good for them for having a strong weekend with favorable match ups. Savor it, because you won't see it again for a while.

UCGrad, you need to calm down and quit smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Before the Conference Tourney we talked about how 'wide open' it was and how any of the 4 teams could emerge as the winner. That means that all 4 teams are very good (those 4 teams don't include UC, by the way) and it wouldn't be any surprise if any of them won, or if any of them lost. But now that Naz has won, people are complaining how they are the worst team to show for the conference in the NCAAs, and how they are the least talented team in the conference. Give me a f-ing break! FisherDynasty is the only one who respects Naz, and you, UCGrad, are just going WAY overboard. The Naz players stepped up when they needed to and won the close games that they've been struggling to hold on to all year. Give them their credit and quit whining, they are OBVIOUSLY the best team in the conference.

And you calling naz "notoriously undisciplined streetballers," the only 'notoriously undisciplined streetballer' in the e-8 is mr. Doug Herring (w/a chucking, not hitting, Burton close behind), can't wait to see him run wild next season without Goodemote at the helm controlling him.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Nazareth won the conference again next season, so "savor it, b/c you won't see it again for a while," i wouldn't speak so fast. you might regret saying that.

[Cyclone0205]

e8...I agreed with everything you said...until you put the "OBVIOUSLY" out there.

Logic doesn't follow that you say (paraphrasing) "any of the 4 teams could have won the whole thing and we wouldn't have been surprised" and then say "naz is OBVIOUSLY the best team".  That would imply that only Naz should have won, and that it would be surprising if they didn't.

Truthfully, there was no "BEST" team this year in the true sense of the word, and any objective person would say that.

Stevens was supposed to be the best all year, but choked down the stretch.
SJF was the defending champs but lost in the conference finals.
Ithaca won the regular season crown but lost at home in the semi's.

And Naz, won the whole thing, but also did lose 2 out of the 3 to Stevens (we all know what happened, but still, it was 2 out of 3) AND was swept in the regular season by Ithaca.  Going into the tourney they were 2-4 against the rest of the field.  Hardly the record you'd expect from the team that was OBVIOUSLY the best team in the conference.

Naz certainly deserved the bid because they put it together in the tournament, but just because they won the tournament doesn't make them the best team in the league..

I mean, John Jay is 13-15 and a conference tourney winner.  Naz > John Jay, but the point is, winning the conference tourney doesn't make you the best team.  It does mean you played the best basketball at the right time, and that is what conference tournaments are all about and thats the nature of 1 and done tournaments.  Different from professional where there are series, the element of only having 1 game means that sometimes upsets happen.

Ex:  In Division 1...Memphis is clearly the best team in the C-USA right now.  Say they make the C-USA championship game, and then lose to Southern Miss, a team who they beat 83-47 and 76-67 in the regular season.  There is no way a basketball analyst would go on tv and say "Southern Miss is the best team in C-USA".


Again, I don't mean this as a knock on Naz.  I saw them play many times this season and think they can make a run up until Amherst, who I think wins it all again this year.  And I hope Naz does very well in the tournament.  But you are getting close with the OBVIOUSLY to making it seem like Naz was just head and shoulders a better team than Ithaca, Fisher, and Stevens, when that wasn't the case.

[scooterman]

Does Harwick play b-ball? Thought they were a soccer school--Does anyone actually care?

[UCgrad45]

If the two teams played again today, UC would easily dispatch them again. They aren't very good and they are not well coached.

Fisher, Ithaca, and Stevens all had more talent than naz. They are probably the worst team that could represent the conference.


You obviously know nothing about Empire 8 basketball. Nazareth has a 15-3 record away from home, no small feat. They also have three players who are arguably first-team all-conference type of players.

I've been directly involved since '99. Care to try again?

Naz is notoriously undisciplined street ballers. They had 1 player that impressed me this year, and even he only turned it on at the end of the game. I don't care what their road record was. They don't play D, they are streaky, and don't have guys that can consistently give you 100%. They step up for Fisher, and got a Stevens team at a time when they were not playing good ball.

They have had these "first team all conference type" players for years, and had one flash in the pan with them. They had D1 transfers that couldn't win.

Good for them for having a strong weekend with favorable match ups. Savor it, because you won't see it again for a while.

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And you calling naz "notoriously undisciplined streetballers," the only 'notoriously undisciplined streetballer' in the e-8 is mr. Doug Herring (w/a chucking, not hitting, Burton close behind), can't wait to see him run wild next season without Goodemote at the helm controlling him.

You mean 4th in the conference in assists Doug Herring?

Run along and come back when you have a clue.

[32 Gold and Blue]

I thought that the were rebuilding.  Do Hartwick people care?

[e8bballfan]

Then who is (are) the 'notorious undisciplined streetballers' on naz? You certainly don't mean 2nd in the NCAA in assists Corey McAdam?

[superman57]

no one really cares about Hartwick....sorry

[MHoops]

It looks like Stevens picked up the #1 seed in the ECAC Metro division and will host the College of Staten Island Wednesday at 8pm.   The Fisher/Vassar game is at 8pm as well.   

Fisher and Vassar's common opponents:

  Vassar split with Hobart W 78-73, L 56-57;  Fisher lost to Hobart 80-84 
  Vassar beat Hartwick 58-55;  Fisher beat Hartwick 69-59, 70-61

[gobombers15]

Naz guys, quit the whole "chip on your shoulder" act. Everyone in here, save UCgrad, respects your team. Corey and Ryan McAdam are very good players and Canori can fill it up with the best of them when he's on. However, an easy way to alienate others is to come on here and spit this "Naz is obviously the best team" garbage that has been going on today. When you say things like FisherDynasty is the only one that respects Naz and then start taking potshots at two of the best players in the conference (Burton and Herring), you detract from your argument and just sound petty.

Most everyone on this board hopes Naz does well in the NCAA's. Just stop acting like the kid who just got a shiny BMW but is mad at his friends because he's not getting enough compliments about it. Be happy, don't be obnoxious.

[e8bballfan]

e8...I agreed with everything you said...until you put the "OBVIOUSLY" out there.

Logic doesn't follow that you say (paraphrasing) "any of the 4 teams could have won the whole thing and we wouldn't have been surprised" and then say "naz is OBVIOUSLY the best team".  That would imply that only Naz should have won, and that it would be surprising if they didn't.

Truthfully, there was no "BEST" team this year in the true sense of the word, and any objective person would say that.

Stevens was supposed to be the best all year, but choked down the stretch.
SJF was the defending champs but lost in the conference finals.
Ithaca won the regular season crown but lost at home in the semi's.

And Naz, won the whole thing, but also did lose 2 out of the 3 to Stevens (we all know what happened, but still, it was 2 out of 3) AND was swept in the regular season by Ithaca.  Going into the tourney they were 2-4 against the rest of the field.  Hardly the record you'd expect from the team that was OBVIOUSLY the best team in the conference.

Naz certainly deserved the bid because they put it together in the tournament, but just because they won the tournament doesn't make them the best team in the league..

I mean, John Jay is 13-15 and a conference tourney winner.  Naz > John Jay, but the point is, winning the conference tourney doesn't make you the best team.  It does mean you played the best basketball at the right time, and that is what conference tournaments are all about and thats the nature of 1 and done tournaments.  Different from professional where there are series, the element of only having 1 game means that sometimes upsets happen.

Ex:  In Division 1...Memphis is clearly the best team in the C-USA right now.  Say they make the C-USA championship game, and then lose to Southern Miss, a team who they beat 83-47 and 76-67 in the regular season.  There is no way a basketball analyst would go on tv and say "Southern Miss is the best team in C-USA".


Again, I don't mean this as a knock on Naz.  I saw them play many times this season and think they can make a run up until Amherst, who I think wins it all again this year.  And I hope Naz does very well in the tournament.  But you are getting close with the OBVIOUSLY to making it seem like Naz was just head and shoulders a better team than Ithaca, Fisher, and Stevens, when that wasn't the case.

I agree with Cyclone, and i apologize for going overboard. I also hope NAz does well and they represent the e-8 well.

[e8bballfan]

Also, hats off to senior who have played their final games. As far as i can tell RIT isn't in any ECAC tourney so congrats to Colin Roy and Kenny Gethers on fine careers.

[superman57]

Naz guys, quit the whole "chip on your shoulder" act. Everyone in here, save UCgrad, respects your team. Corey and Ryan McAdam are very good players and Canori can fill it up with the best of them when he's on. However, an easy way to alienate others is to come on here and spit this "Naz is obviously the best team" garbage that has been going on today. When you say things like FisherDynasty is the only one that respects Naz and then start taking potshots at two of the best players in the conference (Burton and Herring), you detract from your argument and just sound petty.

Most everyone on this board hopes Naz does well in the NCAA's. Just stop acting like the kid who just got a shiny BMW but is mad at his friends because he's not getting enough compliments about it. Be happy, don't be obnoxious.

This is quite possibly the most painful thing that I will ever say...But I do want Naz to do well...it hurts to say this as a Fisher fan...as Naz is one of the only teams in the world that I will fully route against... but saying that what is good for the e8 is good for fisher...So go Naz... (i think i just threw up in my mouth_

[Cyclone0205]

I didn't get to see..I know Stevens is the #1 seed in the metro.  And Naz is NCAA.  I saw Fisher is in their ECAC as well.  What about Ithaca?  Seedings/Times


It's nice to see 3(4 w/Ithaca) teams in the post season.  Stevens controls their own destiny.


Maybe they'll be favorites...since they are the #1 seed, they don't have to leave the comforts of home, where they are undefeated.  We know these Ducks hate traveling.

[e8bballfan]

I didn't get to see..I know Stevens is the #1 seed in the metro.  And Naz is NCAA.  I saw Fisher is in their ECAC as well.  What about Ithaca?  Seedings/Times


It's nice to see 3(4 w/Ithaca) teams in the post season.  Stevens controls their own destiny.


Maybe they'll be favorites...since they are the #1 seed, they don't have to leave the comforts of home, where they are undefeated.  We know these Ducks hate traveling.

I really hope the fisher boys can put it together and win ECACs. It would be nice to see those seniors go out on a little bit of a high note, and get those underclassmen some postseason experience.