MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[diehardfan]

Okay... Fisk LOST to farmingdale state??? After watching the first game on Thursday... I thought I could make the pretty good assumption that BOTH RMC   and Fisk  were pretty good... for entirely different reasons, but still solid squads... I was assuming that Fisk would  go on to cream Farmingdale State... and that obviously didn't happen.

So... was anyone there either night that saw FS play? I'd be really interested in getting an opinion on them. I came just as the second game started Thurs.

Incidentally RMCSID... it was nice to meet you at the game Thurs.

[mybleedinghands]

I got bored so I decided to see how Andy's quest for the ODAC record in steals is going. At the beginning of the season he needed 58 steals to tie the record of 258. Currently he has 25 on the season and needs 33 more steals to tie the record, which would mean he would ahve to average 2.2 steals a game in the remaining regular season games. He also needs to average 2.0 assists per game in our last 15 regular season games to be in a tie for third on LC's all-time career assists category.

[mybleedinghands]

The game did start at 5:30.  At the half, Guilford is down by two, 33-31.  It sounds like they are running on three cylinders.   

The game started too early for me to make the tip-off, so I got there with 19:01 to go in the game and GC down 35-33.  There were something like 13 ties and 14 lead changes in this game, but the Quakers, in my opinion, did not handle the ball well down the stretch.  Turnovers in key situations, poor FT shooting - you name it.  I know at one point the game was tied around the low 60's, Guilford gets 2 FT's and then the Heidelberg Coach gets a T.  We make one of the four FT's and then turn the ball over for a fastbreak the other direction on the ensuing inbounds play.  Sigh!  Snipes tied the game with a 3-pointer with 47 seconds to go, but that was the last time the Quakers scored in an 89-84 loss.  I am very disappointed ... 

Don't get too down on them! They are a relatively young team with some good talent to build on this season and upcoming seasons (as long as they can keep the talent and not lose it like they did with Atkinson and lawhorn)! Only 2 juniors, one who barely plays any and one who is a "sophomore" in the Guilford system, and one senior who apparently isnt even good enought o have his number listed on the roster. Dissapointments will be abound with a team as young as Guilford is. Look on the bright side, Ben Strong is only a sophomore and has established himself as a top 5 post player in the ODAC and at least they havent lost eight or nine games in a row like the Generals and us Hornets did to start the season.

[algernon]

Eagleslam ... What you seem to say that I've said is only half the time even close to anything I've actually said, whether last year or this one.  I don't think I used the term "blowout," at least from what I can see upon re-reading my post, but I do think that the Tigers will handily defeat the Eagles next Saturday.

Right now, with the Tigers as only one of 11 teams in the country with a perfect record, it doesn't seem unreasonable to predict that they will handily defeat the Eagles, whose 4 wins to date were over Lancaster Bible plus 3 third-rate D3 teams (with a combined record of 7-22).  Maybe the Eagles will somehow keep it close, since they're playing at home, but I kind of doubt it.  Time will tell ....

[hasanova]

The game did start at 5:30.  At the half, Guilford is down by two, 33-31.  It sounds like they are running on three cylinders.   

The game started too early for me to make the tip-off, so I got there with 19:01 to go in the game and GC down 35-33.  There were something like 13 ties and 14 lead changes in this game, but the Quakers, in my opinion, did not handle the ball well down the stretch.  Turnovers in key situations, poor FT shooting - you name it.  I know at one point the game was tied around the low 60's, Guilford gets 2 FT's and then the Heidelberg Coach gets a T.  We make one of the four FT's and then turn the ball over for a fastbreak the other direction on the ensuing inbounds play.  Sigh!  Snipes tied the game with a 3-pointer with 47 seconds to go, but that was the last time the Quakers scored in an 89-84 loss.  I am very disappointed ... 

Don't get too down on them! They are a relatively young team with some good talent to build on this season and upcoming seasons (as long as they can keep the talent and not lose it like they did with Atkinson and lawhorn)! Only 2 juniors, one who barely plays any and one who is a "sophomore" in the Guilford system, and one senior who apparently isnt even good enought o have his number listed on the roster. Dissapointments will be abound with a team as young as Guilford is. Look on the bright side, Ben Strong is only a sophomore and has established himself as a top 5 post player in the ODAC and at least they havent lost eight or nine games in a row like the Generals and us Hornets did to start the season.

Well, thanks, I hope you're right.  The Quakers are young, but the inopportune turnovers and poor Free Throw shooting kill me.  lol  Honestly, I was hoping they would be about 7-2 right now and not 4-5.  I expected GC to lose to Elon and to at least one of the scholarship NAIA programs, but I did think we'd win a few more of the DIII games.  Hopefully, some of it was a 22-day break between the W&L game and the back-to-back games at the end of last week.  Speaking of Lawhorn, he's still in school and I see him at games - I believe there's a possiblity he'll play next year, but I don't know that for certain.  As for the other key players on the team, I see them being there for their entire college careers. 

[mybleedinghands]

So for anyone that would like to know, Pete Manos has transferred to Piedmont College (GSAC school) where he is #24 (not listed on the roster yet).

[jeloesel]

"Jimmy the German's" List of ODAC Pick'em Games for Week Six

Tuesday, January 4
UMass-Dartmouth @ Roanoke

Wednesday, January 5
R-MC @ Bridgewater
Averett @ Guilford
VWC @ Lynchburg
Greensboro @ EMU

Saturday, January 7
Roanoke @ W&L
H-SC @ Bridgewater
E&H @ VWC
Guilford @ R-MC
Lynchburg @ EMU

Sunday, January 8
E&H @ R-MC
Guilford @ VWC

[mybleedinghands]

"Jimmy the German's" List of ODAC Pick'em Games for Week Six


Tuesday, January 4
UMass-Dartmouth @ Roanoke

Wednesday, January 5
R-MC @ Bridgewater
Averett @ Guilford
VWC @ Lynchburg
Greensboro @ EMU

Saturday, January 7
Roanoke @ W&L
H-SC @ Bridgewater
E&H @ VWC
Guilford @ R-MC
Lynchburg @ EMU

Sunday, January 8
E&H @ R-MC
Guilford @ VWC

[eagleslam]

Algernon...

You said the Tigers would handily defeat the Eagles in your first post, and again in your second.  If "handily defeating" a team, like you said, is not "blowing them out", a term I used, what is the difference?  Different term, same meaning.

As far as others things I brought up, you did mention at the start of last year that the inexperience the Tigers had was a huge problem.  You brought up when they defeated Longwood that they were "D-I".  And you brought up that classification when they played this year as well.  You are making it seem that I put words in your mouth, when in fact I am just bringing up what you have pointed out.

According to you, the Tigers were 5-4 last year because of inexperience.  According to you, the Eagles this year are 4-5 because they are  not that good and have a "third rate schedule".  Maybe their opponent's combined record is not that good, but that is a small measure.  How do you know what type of teams opponents of H-SC have played?  Maybe teams they have played with winning records have played a "3rd rate schedule".  If I'm wrong, and their opponents have played an incredibly tough schedule, I'm wrong.  That certainly boads well for Sydney.  Regardless, they have played teams where they have a huge advantage in the post against.  They have matched up well with every single one of their opponents.  And they have done a great job taking advantage of that.  But one could argue that is 3rd rate because they have not faced anyone that poses a match up problem in the post. The exeception is Adair, but at 6-5 and the only one they have, that may have an asterick beside the point.  The Eagles have won the games they should have, lost the ones they should have.  H-SC has played teams they match up very well against.  The same cannot be said for the Eagles.  You know I am glad to see the Tigers play well, but you have yet to give any reasons (other than the highly questionable schedule reason) why the Tigers will blowout, sorry, handily defeat, the Eagles.

The Eagles are a very good shooting team.  They have a 6-8 and a 6-7 kid in the post.  They are playing at home.  I'd even say that the 5:00 game time gives them an advantage.  The Tigers always play 2:00 in the afternoon,  Sometimes the Eagles play at 5:00 and let their women's team play at 2:00.  So, they are a little more accustomed to playing 3 hours later.  Suppose the first game goes into 2 overtimes.  The Eagles are used to waiting, and the Tigers are not.  I think all of those things helps the Eagles.  Maybe with all of those things going for them, they can keep it close.  I sure hope they can be "handily beaten" by 25 and not "blown out" by 26 with all of those things going for them, too.

[algernon]

Tuesday, January 4
UMass-Dartmouth @ Roanoke

Wednesday, January 5
R-MC @ Bridgewater
Averett @ Guilford
VWC @ Lynchburg
Greensboro @ EMU

Saturday, January 7
Roanoke @ W&L
H-SC @ Bridgewater
E&H @ VWC
Guilford @ R-MC
Lynchburg @ EMU

Sunday, January 8
E&H @ R-MC
Guilford @ VWC

[algernon]

Eagleslam ...

What's the point in arguing semantics about what I supposedly said or didn't say last year (or even this one)?  It seems pretty irrelevant unless you're itching for a verbal joust.

My prediction is that the Tigers will handily beat the Eagles.  That, for me, means something less than a blowout.  Maybe "handily beat" and "blowout" mean the same for you; that's cool.

Let's get beyond the semantics .... I'll predict that the game will not be in doubt throughout the second half and the Tigers will win by 12-15 points on the Eagles' court.  HSC beat a Wheaton team that came to Fleet with an 8-1 record by about 15 in their last game of 2005.  They'll be well-rested when they go to Nininger on Saturday and I don't think that it will be real close, whether they play at 2pm or 5pm.

That's just my guess .... and, as everyone knows, anything can happen ......  I remember that HSC got beat by Lynchburg last year.

[ladyeagle]

my picks


Tuesday, January 4
UMass-Dartmouth

Wednesday, January 5
Bridgewater (i have faith)
Averett
VWC
EMU

Saturday, January 7
Roanoke
Bridgewater (please dear God)
VWC
R-MC
EMU

Sunday, January 8
R-MC
VWC

[eagleslam]

Algernon...

Fair enough on the semantics.  I would not consider a 12-15 point win that is not in doubt during the 2nd half a blowout. 

But my point over what you said last year and said this year (not supposedly) is valid.  Last year, when the Tigers had an incredibly young team, you rambled on and on how this was the reason they started off 5-4.  You ranted and raved about how they could overcome these issue against a D-I team in Longwood.  Again, that classification is another soapbox for me, so let's just say I think it is a joke.  Now, this year, the Eagles are 4-5, and you have yet to mention that the fact they lost 6 seniors, including a 3 time 1st Team All-ODAC and last year's leading scorer, may have something to do with it.  It's simply they have 4 wins against a 3rd rate schedule.  And you make it seem like they can't overcome this problem against H-SC because of that.  Why is it that it was such a problem for H-SC last year, but you're making it seem like it should be easily handled by the Eagles?  That's not a verbal joust, that's a valid question.

By the way, Wheaton was 8-1 coming into the H-SC game and did lose by 14.  The combined record of Wheaton's opponents was 36-43.  Not what I would consider tough by any means.  They won by an average of 13 points.  That may not look so bad until you consider they beat a 2-7 team by 48 on opening night.  So maybe that 8-1 schedule is misleading as to how good Wheaton was?  Especially when they had no one that could stop Kaase.  They had no size whatsoever to even try.

I've given reasons as to why I think BC could win.  I'd still like to see some why H-SC will win besides a 3rd rate schedule by the opponent and beating an 8-1 team that apparantly wasn't as good as the record indicated.

[mybleedinghands]

It's simply they have 4 wins against a 3rd rate schedule

Bridgewater always has a ton of cupcake and bad teams on their schedule. Seriously, Lancaster Bible for Christ sake, Lancaster Bible

[algernon]

I've given reasons as to why I think BC could win.  I'd still like to see some why H-SC will win besides a 3rd rate schedule by the opponent and beating an 8-1 team that apparantly wasn't as good as the record indicated.

I don't base my prediction of a rather easy victory on the fact that Bridgewater's record is 4-5, with their only wins coming against Lancaster Bible, W&L, and a couple of other losing D3teams.  My prediction is based on the fact that the Tigers are an undefeated team, ranked #19 in the country, and they're going up against a team that was only fair last year (ending up 17-9, but struggling at the end of the season, with a 23-point loss to Guilford in the conference quarterfinals) and they've now lost 6 seniors, including a 3-time 1st Team All-ODAC and last year's leading scorer.

To predict that the Tigers will "handily defeat" the Eagles does not seem like a remarkable prediction.

As you have said, the Eagles may develop well this season ..... but it certainly remains to be seen how well they will do.  Their next 3 games, against RMC, HSC, and Lynchburg, will be a real test for "Clay Michael and the young Eagles."