MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Will2Win]

Wow... after all the speculation I am still shocked that EMU didn't get in. I thought that they'd fit in somewhere

Unreal...

[2RMCFans]

Well, we don't think R-MC got screwed by not hosting this weekend.  Many factors go into that decision.  

We went to St. Mary's last year (2nd weekend) and it's a great facility and not too bad a drive from Ashland/Richmond/NoVA.  At least we're not going all the way to Pennsylvania!

Congrats to VWC on hosting this weekend & good luck to the Marlins in the tournament.  It's great that we're on opposite sides... let's hope to meet up again in the FINAL!

Very sorry about the news for EMU.  They have been a great team again this year & it's just kind of unfortunate that the ODAC is such a tough conference.  Wishing them all the best for the future!

GO JACKETS!!!!

[78rmc]

WE GOT SCREWED!! St Mary's Hosting US-REALLY??? It better be because our women are hosting, otherwise it is an OUTRIGHT INJUSTICE!! Oh well...........just another reason to make us play harder!!GO JACKETS!

The St. Mary's site worked well for us last year!

[Kenleen]

RMC got screwed, VWC is hosting and EMU is at home....... WOW how do they do it? Good luck to the ODAC, and great season for EMU. EMU is 47-10 in the last two seasons, that is nothing to be upset about.

For the record alot of the rest of us think the EMU's got hosed too!! This NCAA selection committee needs it's collective head examined!!

I feel bad for the 5 EMU seniors who led the team back to a 21-5 record, including a win against VA Wesleayan.  I would put 3rd place in the ODAC this year up against any of the other conference winners, but the ODAC got disrespected despite having all 4 of last year's qualifiers get into the sweet 16.  That should say something about how strong the ODAC is!  Our #6 HSC beat the autoqualifier NC Wesleyan handily!

[y_jack_lok]

Very sorry about the news for EMU.  They have been a great team again this year & it's just kind of unfortunate that the ODAC is such a tough conference.  Wishing them all the best for the future!

Looking at the broader picture, it raises the question for me of why Illinois Wesleyan at 19-8 got a Pool C bid and EMU didn't. Would be interesting to see the comparative OWP and OOWP for the two teams. I can't believe IWU's is significantly higher than EMU's, if it's higher at all.

[hsctigers2002]

And this is one of the problems with the NCAA's insistence that regional qualifications are virtually the sole reason why a team is in or out.

[FISHTANKFAN]

 Sorry that EMU did not get a pool C.  They would have gone deep in the tournament.  Is there a printable bracket out yet? 

[rmc1982]

Well, we don't think R-MC got screwed by not hosting this weekend.  Many factors go into that decision.  

We went to St. Mary's last year (2nd weekend) and it's a great facility and not too bad a drive from Ashland/Richmond/NoVA.  At least we're not going all the way to Pennsylvania!

Congrats to VWC on hosting this weekend & good luck to the Marlins in the tournament.  It's great that we're on opposite sides... let's hope to meet up again in the FINAL!

Very sorry about the news for EMU.  They have been a great team again this year & it's just kind of unfortunate that the ODAC is such a tough conference.  Wishing them all the best for the future!

GO JACKETS!!!!

So.......You'd RATHER be @ St Mary's instead of Crenshaw?? C'mon??I thought this was ALOT about who played better.... ....I realize we played well there last year and also that Crenshaw, as other facilities go, is a smaller venue.....but I still can't beleive you said that!! We DESERVE to host!! That's all...we DESERVE IT! We won the tournament and did all of the things they said we had to do  in order to host when we never got  to before......Now if the women are hosting that's a different story-more power to them and I'm glad they have the opportunity to stay home.If that's the case then ONE of us has to go on the road then I'm ok with it.....and like you say we have played well there.......but I still don't think they deserve the opportunity(St Mary's) to host more than us....I STILL say it's unfair...........and for the record I think VWC should host,too! They have a great facility and beat us twice and should have the opportunity-Good for them!!.....That's all I'm gonna gripe about this.....it is what it is and we certainly can't change anything..... .......just go out and win one at a time ladies and gentlemen!GO JACKETS!

[Will2Win]

Very sorry about the news for EMU.  They have been a great team again this year & it's just kind of unfortunate that the ODAC is such a tough conference.  Wishing them all the best for the future!

Looking at the broader picture, it raises the question for me of why Illinois Wesleyan at 19-8 got a Pool C bid and EMU didn't. Would be interesting to see the comparative OWP and OOWP for the two teams. I can't believe IWU's is significantly higher than EMU's, if it's higher at all.

In all honesty it probably just comes down to geography and the NCAA not wanting to spend more money than they had to at that point....If you look at the bracket ILL WES goes to St Thomas up north along with UW-RIVER FALLS and NORTHWESTERN MINN....Ill Wes. was on the bubble just like EMU.....Ill Wes is a lil closer (455 Miles) than EMU (1115 Miles)

That's what I want to believe the reason is for Ill Wes getting in before EMU   


Not to mention Mary Hardin Baylor getting in....What a crock!!

[algernon]

From my earlier post, I've boldfaced the teams that got in and crossed out those that didn't ....

The following teams seem pretty much a lock for Pool C:
Atlantic Region
1 Ramapo 19-4 20-6 (NJAC)  
East Region
1 Oswego State 23-4 23-4 (SUNYAC):
Great Lakes
3 Penn State-Behrend 23-3 23-4 (AMCC)
Midwest Region
1 Concordia (Wis.) 21-3 23-4 (NATH)
Northeast Region
1 Williams 23-2 25-2 (NESCAC)
3 WPI 22-4 22-5 (NEWMAC)
4 Becker 23-4 23-4 (NECC)
5 Amherst 21-3 22-3 (NESCAC)
South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 21-4 23-4 (ODAC)  

These are the teams with whom E.M.U. is competing for one of the remaining 9 Pool C bids:
Atlantic Region
3 Kean  17-6 18-8 (NJAC)
4 St. Joseph's (L.I.)  20-6 22-6 (SKY)
East Region
2 Ithaca 19-6 20-6  (E8)
Great Lakes
5 Thiel  17-4 20-7 (PrAC)
6 Wabash 19-6 20-6 (NCAC)  
Middle Atlantic Region
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 20-5 21-6 (CSAC)  
5 Keystone 21-6 21-6 (CSAC)  
Northeast Region
6 Western Connecticut State 20-5 21-5 (LEC)
South Region
3 Texas-Dallas 20-5 21-5 (ASC)  
4 Ferrum  20-5 23-5 (USAC)
5 Eastern Mennonite 16-5 22-5 (ODAC)
8 Emory  19-5 20-5 (UAA): Emory finished the season with a big win over Rochester
West Region
5 Carleton  18-6 18-8 (MIAC)  
6 UW-River Falls 18-6 20-7 (WIAC)

Getting into the NCAAs but not on my list were:
Great Lakes
NR Wittenburg 16-6 19-8 (NCAC)
Midwest Region
4 Hanover 18-6 18-6 (HCAC)
NR Illinois Wesleyan 18-8 19-8 (CCIW)
South Region
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-7 21-7 (ASC)

[hsctigers2002]

Geography has nothing to do with which team makes the tournament. Geography is only used for determining where teams go to play...

[Will2Win]

Geography has nothing to do with which team makes the tournament. Geography is only used for determining where teams go to play...

I understand that...but i highly doubt the NCAA wants to pay for a plane ticket to send EMU to St Thomas instead of Ill Wes taking a bus. Thats all I was saying...and as I stated thats only what I was hoping the reason was, I never said that was the real reason!!!!
Just wishful thinking!

[hsctigers2002]

Geography has nothing to do with which team makes the tournament. Geography is only used for determining where teams go to play...

I understand that...but i highly doubt the NCAA wants to pay for a plane ticket to send EMU to St Thomas instead of Ill Wes taking a bus. Thats all I was saying...and as I stated thats only what I was hoping the reason was, I never said that was the real reason!!!!
Just wishful thinking!

If EMU has made it instead of Illinois Wesleyan, the teams in the bracket would have been grouped differently to avoid the travel issues. Likely, EMU would have ended up going to VWC, St. Mary's, Marietta, or Cabrini and one of the teams in those pods would have been shifted around to make it best for travel.

[y_jack_lok]

EMU is ranked 19 spots higher in the Massey ratings than IWU. The following is from a post on the CCIW board (the conference IWU plays in) on Saturday 2/26 by Gregory Sager whose name is probably familiar to many of you if you read outside the ODAC board as he is highly knowledgeable and resppected in the D3hoops "community":

"Now that the CCIW portion of the season is over, it can be stated just how bizarre this year has turned out to be, via this set of interrelated facts:

* In a year in which everyone connected to the league -- coaches, players, fans -- was convinced that the CCIW was going to be absolutely stacked, the league repeatedly stumbled in non-conference play and ended up with only the minimum one team in the big dance;

* Neither of the two squads that were picked as Top Five teams in the d3hoops.com preseason poll were that one team that's going dancing. One of the two erstwhile favorites didn't even make the conference tournament, and the other barely got in as the fourth seed;

* For the first time in twenty years, a CCIW champion or co-champion had a losing record in non-conference play; and

* For the first time in nine years, the CCIW only had one team reach the twenty-win mark."

Of course that was written Saturday and we all know that he was wrong about only one CCIW team making the tournament since Augustana got the AQ and IWU the Pool C. People who pay attention to D3hoops the way Mr. Sager does know way more about it than the NCAA selection committee. I'm sure EMU is not the only team that deserved a spot instead of IWU.

[royalrooter]

Well, I'd like to see both ODAC teams at Salem. I'm having difficulty accounting for 4 bids last year and only two this year. It's not like those four teams didn't represent well. There has got to be a better way.

RE: RMC not hosting... Last night on Hoopsville there was discussion about RMC getting a bye and hosting the 2nd round so women could host. If they are still alive I wonder if the might host 3rd round?