MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[mybleedinghands]

i personally think the rule is idiotic. i already knew about it, but didnt want to bring it up. but since someone did i'll voice my opinion. two hours for a team "practice" is nothing. if a kid is struggling to handle two hours a week for basketball and classes, then the kid should reconsider what he's doing. Other athletes have been able to do very well in class during the season, which is basically a full-time job during the season. it's not like the coaches are asking to work with their players 2 hours every day. coaches in other sports like lacrosse and baseball can work with their players in the fall and soccer coaches can work with their players in the spring. i don't really see what the difference is in the soccer and lacrosse coaches working with their players in the offseason and basketball coaches working with their players in the offeseason.

[mybleedinghands]

who is responsible for submitting the schedules? Is it the coaches or the SID's, because i know the SIDs are supposed to submit the scores and game news releases.

[ladyeagle]

first of all let me clarify a few things.  The reason soccer and baseball coaches (and field hockey coaches for that matter) in the fall and lacrosse coaches in the spring are allowed to work with their players is because they have a fall and spring season.  Winter sports don't have a long enough break in between their seasons to do that.  The coaches work with these athletes because they have one day  during those seasons where they are allowed to go to a play day and so those three weeks each fall or spring are working on their skills and helping out for a game or so.  Basketball has their season and unless they want to have another season in the summer, there really isn't a time for them to have another short one.

Still, I think coaches should be able to work with their players for 2 hours a week.  That really isn't too much time and I think it would benefit D III players a great deal.  They are in their practicing regardless if their coach is there on not, so they might as well get a couple of hours a week with the coach helping out.  This rule isn't just a pain in the butt for basketball.  I spent all summer living 10 minutes from my coach and would've loved for her to come work with me, but she couldn't.  In fact, she even suggested me working with the football coaches instead.      Coach Clark is actually a pretty decent field hockey player....haha.

[Pat Coleman]

We sent a request at the end of July to the SIDs for schedules.

[eagleslam]

Regulations for D1 and D3 are already so different, it's really not surprising that the time coaches can, or can't, spend with players is different.  Some should be that are, but this one should be the same.  Does the D3 Rules Committee really believe that kids are going to be studying those extra two hours a week, just because they are supposed to be "true student-athletes"?

Personally, I think the rule should be that the coaches can spend time on the floor with freshmen only for 4 hours a week.  That would give coaches more time for individual instruction concerning offenses and defenses with the kids that need it the most.  It gives coaches more time to interact with kids who are away from home for the first time.  And it gives the kids a chance to learn things away from the pressure of practice and the upperclassmen. 

Of course, seeing how beneficial extra time with players, it's amazing that D1 has a chance to spend extra time with their's! 

[emufan]

Eagleslam,

In your previous post, is the 4 hour practice for freshmen in addtion to the rest of the team getting 2 hours or are the freshmen the only players who get the extra official time with coach?

What happens when a school gets a new coach and so all players are "freshmen" when it comes to learning a new system?

[Mr. Ypsi]

emufan,

Not to mentions transfers, who are also 'freshmen' to this coach's system.

[eagleslam]

emufan...

The four hours I mentioned could include the upperclassmen getting two hours as well.  I couldn't care less if players get extra time with the coach or not.  I just think that particular rule should be the same at all three levels.  If D1 should be able to, so should D3.

Your response posed the situation of a new coach, and another posed the situation of transfers.  Good points, but my opinion on that is, "tough luck".  If the rule is "just freshmen", then it is just people in their first year of college.  For example, let's say a coach at an ODAC school leaves for any reason.  The new coach gets to come in and work with everyone, while the other nine ODAC coaches only get to work with "true freshmen"?  Completely unfair.  If coaches are allowed to work with transfers, then it is to a coach's advantage to try and bring in transfers, not high school seniors.  Those transfers have a year away from home, have a year learning how to manage their time, and a year of conditioning on the kids coming to college for the first time.  If the rule says upperclassmen get two hours, the transfers go with them.  If the rule says it is "just freshmen", the transfers play pick up ball with the upperclassmen.

Again, my main point is that I think this rule should be the same throughout all of college basketball.  Whether or not coaches get the extra time is irrelevent as long as it is consistant.

[emufan]

I agree that it should be equal for all three divisions.   However, we all know that isn't always the case.

I would like to see the field be extended to 64 teams and not have the different "pools".  I guess D3 is slowly adding more teams.   

[hasanova]

at Guilford - In addition to Kerry Atkinson transferring to DII NCCU in Durham (where they were happy to give him a full scholarship after he was ODAC FOY! - there ought to be a law!), the word on the street at GC is that Genaro Lawhorn will not play this year.  Sounds like Coach Palombo decided to hold him out this year since he won't graduate next May.  Not sure if it's true, but it came from a fairly reliable sourse. 

[hasanova]

Sorry guys - this is my first day back on the board posting - in reading back a few weeks, I see the Genaro Lawhorn info is old news.  Good luck Genaro - I hope to see you back on the team.

[stillfamily]

Less than one week remaining until practice......this is going to be a good year for the ODAC and hopefully EMU. Anybody having midnight madness?

[emufan]

I heard EMU is having midnight madness, but not from an official source.

[algernon]

News from Hampden-Sydney's Sports Information Director:

BASKETBALL TIGERS TO PLAY LONGWOOD IN CHARITY EVENT NOV. 9

HAMPDEN-SYDNEY, VA – The Hampden-Sydney College basketball team will continue its series with Longwood University in a preseason exhibition benefit game that will take place November 9 at 7 p.m. in Longwood's Willett Hall.  All tickets to the contest are $5 each with the net proceeds from the event going to the "Families for Farmville" charity organization's hurricane relief efforts. 

Hampden-Sydney and Longwood resurrected their cross-county rivalry with a home-and-home regular season series that began in 2003.  The Tigers have taken both contests in the last two years, winning the '03 battle at Longwood, 80-76, and the 2004 contest at Hampden-Sydney, 73-67.  The series was not expected to continue in 2005 due to Longwood's continuing conversion to NCAA Division I eligibility, however the Tigers/Lancers exhibition was developed as a way to aid the recent natural disaster victims.

[Jimmy Mad]

EMU will hold Midnight Madness, largely because it falls over Homecoming Weekend.

EMU Homecoming Info