MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[tigerfanalso]

Concerned only because it indicates  that only one ODAC team will probably go to the tournament and it is indicative of the quality of play in ODAC as compared on a national basis. Those numbers are really bad and supports what I said in early post that the quality of play in ODAC is no where close to what it has been in recent past. Of course that was just my observation and I was accused by other posters of not liking ODAC b'ball, but unfortuantely these numbers support my observation.

[Jacketlawyer]

Concerned only because it indicates  that only one ODAC team will probably go to the tournament and it is indicative of the quality of play in ODAC as compared on a national basis. Those numbers are really bad and supports what I said in early post that the quality of play in ODAC is no where close to what it has been in recent past. Of course that was just my observation and I was accused by other posters of not liking ODAC b'ball, but unfortuantely these numbers support my observation.

Thanks TFA, that makes perfect sense.  I pretty much read and post on this site just for fun, so when it comes to stats, gotta leave it to those in the know to help me out!!

[algernon]

Thanks for the Massey ratings, Scottie.

While the quality of the top teams in the ODAC is not what it was in 2002-03 or 2003-04, I think that the overall play in the ODAC is about the same as always, as there are 7-8 solid teams this year, which is better than in some past years.

Quality of ODAC play in 2005-06 is certainly average or better, compared to the rest of the country.  Here are a couple of facts that support the idea:

• ODAC teams have won 55% of their games against non-conference opponents.
• Five of the ten ODAC teams are currently ranked in the top half of the Massey rankings, and five are ranked in the bottom half.  That's pretty average.

[tigerfanalso]

I agree the ODAC play is right at the average, which again means that in all likelyhood only one team goes to the big dance. The reason for the low SOS #'s is because the ODAC  teams are playing each other. I believe Macon had the best SOS @ 92 and that's because the played Lincoln(twice) St. John-Fischer and one other ranked team. Had they played the typical weak out of conference schedule usually played by most teams their SOS # would be much lower. The reality is the ODAC is not as competitive at the top which hurts the the overall strenght of the league and is better or as good in the middle. The low end teams are still pretty bad, although can play a competitive game on occassion.

[sludge]

Eagleslam, you're right, I wasn't trying to start anything.    I understand your points and think they have merit.  Should he have more blocks? - maybe, but he is #2 in the league.  Should he have a high shooting percentage at 6'10"? - yes and he does.   While following the recruiting of my nephew a few years ago, I learned a lot about what coaches at different levels are watching.  My nephew is 6'7", has a great all-around game and his HS team won the NC 1A state championship, but he is a few inches too short and a step too slow to play in a major college frontcourt.  With this in mind, there are obviously some reasons why Ben Strong,  at 6'10," is playing DIII instead of DI. For one thing, he was very thin at the start of his freshman year, but has added some weight.  He is, however, a very competent DIII player and that's the arena in which he is being judged by me.  Watch him play when he visits BC or EMU in your area and then give me your assessment.  I respect your opinion, but I personally don't see how he cannot be First Team All-ODAC if he maintains the stats he has now AND Guilford continues to win in the conference.  Peace.

By the way - Go Quakers versus the Tigers tomorrow night! 

The whole Guilford team played well in the Hampden-Sydney loss, and if shots had dropped that usually do, Guilford would have won a close game.  That could be an interesting rematch at H-S.

Regarding Ben Strong, he had 22 points on an off (7-19) shooting night, but was 9-9 from the line.  The shooting night was partly due to the attention (hard attention, sometimes) he drew from the Tigers, who looked to be a motivated and well-coached team. Strong also chipped in with 12 boards, 2 blocks, 3 steals, 1 assist and no turnovers.  He sure was not just sitting around out there.

H-S had nice balance to it's attack, and Kaase does manage to get open.

The Guilford coach's technical was deliberate, reasonable and accurate given the calling of the game, IMHO.

[hschoopsguru]

Of course the massey ratings mean absolutely nothing when it comes to selection day, so no point getting too upset or reading too much into them.

[steelyglen]

ok...just for the record, I have thrown out mr_divacs pick of EMU/Rc thus giving him a 2-1 mark for the day.

JWW you'll take your 1-3 like a man and you'll like it!

[hasanova]

Eagleslam, you're right, I wasn't trying to start anything.    I understand your points and think they have merit.  Should he have more blocks? - maybe, but he is #2 in the league.  Should he have a high shooting percentage at 6'10"? - yes and he does.   While following the recruiting of my nephew a few years ago, I learned a lot about what coaches at different levels are watching.  My nephew is 6'7", has a great all-around game and his HS team won the NC 1A state championship, but he is a few inches too short and a step too slow to play in a major college frontcourt.  With this in mind, there are obviously some reasons why Ben Strong,  at 6'10," is playing DIII instead of DI. For one thing, he was very thin at the start of his freshman year, but has added some weight.  He is, however, a very competent DIII player and that's the arena in which he is being judged by me.  Watch him play when he visits BC or EMU in your area and then give me your assessment.  I respect your opinion, but I personally don't see how he cannot be First Team All-ODAC if he maintains the stats he has now AND Guilford continues to win in the conference.  Peace.

By the way - Go Quakers versus the Tigers tomorrow night! 

The whole Guilford team played well in the Hampden-Sydney loss, and if shots had dropped that usually do, Guilford would have won a close game.  That could be an interesting rematch at H-S.  Regarding Ben Strong, he had 22 points on an off (7-19) shooting night, but was 9-9 from the line.  The shooting night was partly due to the attention (hard attention, sometimes) he drew from the Tigers, who looked to be a motivated and well-coached team. Strong also chipped in with 12 boards, 2 blocks, 3 steals, 1 assist and no turnovers.  He sure was not just sitting around out there.    H-S had nice balance to it's attack, and Kaase does manage to get open.   The Guilford coach's technical was deliberate, reasonable and accurate given the calling of the game, IMHO.

... it's not a big thing, but Ben's line was actually 23 points.

[jeloesel]

Regarding Steelyglen's decision about the Divac Matter, we should:

A.  Renegotiate his contract, doubling his pay for the next three years.

B.  Reverse his action and give Genero the loss.

C.  Forget about the whole thing and call Narch the winner of the Pick'em.

D.  Ask Pat to block further "interim" updates by Eh...

F.  Everyone hit the smite button to drive up Steely's negatives to match <.

G.  Suspend the Pick'em contest and assemble a committee headed by Warren Thompson to investigate the whole smelly mess.

H.  Reverse the results of the game and give the win to the Maroons.

J.  Other.

[steelyglen]

Jimmy...throw in a case of Newcastle and I'll take the first half of option "C".

Now... the next time my name and > are lumped into the same sentence without using the words/phrases..." loathes"," has no use for", "would not be associated with", "could care less about". "blames most of the world's problems on...", well you get the idea, then I feel a trip to Roanoke is in order to lightly discuss new uses for the javelin (sp?), the shot and the hammer!

Let's just put the whole sordid "em-bold-o gate" behind us and promise me that I will NOT have to appear on Oprah and tell the truth. Lying on Larry King is much easier!

[Warren Thompson]

Regarding Steelyglen's decision regarding the Divac Matter, we should:
... Suspend the Pick'em contest and assemble a committee headed by Warren Thompson to investigate the whole smelly mess.

Three questions:

1. How'd I get involved in this?
2. What "smelly mess"?
3. What's the story with Wansley (injury?)?

Obviously, I haven't been keeping up with ODAC affairs. 

[Warren Thompson]

Jimmy...throw in a case of Newcastle and I'll take the first half of option "C".

By "Newcastle" I assume you mean Newcastle Brown Ale? If so, send me a case, too.

[justafan02]

Unless RMC and VWC totally fall on their tale, the ODAC will have two teams.  The Massey ratings will determine the tourney seedings as much as our posts everyday.  For what it is worth Occidental (13-1) is ranked #7 and has the 212 SOS where two other teams with better records Mississippi College (14-1) and Worcester Tech (15-1) have better SOS and are ranked #15 and #24.  Go figure. 

PS:  There are more teams going to this years tournament.

[steelyglen]

Warren...those select few of us that have travelled with this lovely lady over the years have been granted first name rights!


By the way Warren...where the hell have you been this season? This may be the biggest single reason the ODAC is "down" this year! Guru's we now have our scapegoat!

[tigerfanalso]

I hope two teams from the ODAC get into the tournament and I hope the massey ratings mean very little, I've got to believe that come selection day the ratings mean more than just a little. SOS carries alot of weight when the NCAA selects teams for the D1 tourney, I can't imagine it doesn't carry much weight in the selection process for the D111 tourney... time will tell