MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[algernon]

I don't see any nominees for FOY from HSC.  The freshmen have developed over the course of the year, but none have the playing time or stats to merit consideration.

[hasanova]

I don't see any FOY nominees from Guilford either.  No one has over 11 minutes per game and 4.5 ppg and I don't see those numbers being worthy of contention.

[stillfamily]

RMC vs BC---142
RCvs EH--192
my bonus pics

[ladyeagle]

RMC v BC bonus pick:  136
RC vs EH bonus pick:   188

[baselinejam]

 
RMC vs BC--148
   RCvs EH---202

[Pat Coleman]

Any opinions on the next D3hoops top 25 poll and where the South teams will be placed?

ALSO.....Pat.....Where is the love for VWC on the front page.  Can we get a little more coverage for 19 in a row?

Thanks for all that you do Pat!

I think we had you out there at least twice for the same thing during this long winning streak. Can't put you guys out there all the time. Beating Bridgewater (sorry, Kid) isn't much of a surprise.

[jeloesel]

Since the ODAC currently has ten schools that compete in men's basketball, has there ever been any consideration for a conference tournament that includes all ten teams?  ...  Maybe the NCAA or the ODAC imposes a limit on the number of games, but I'd just like to see every team get a shot in the postseason.

The "I'd just like to see every team get a shot in the postseason" sounds reasonable at
first glance, but its got lots of problems once you start to look more carefully. 

1.  The economics don't work out to hold the two play-in games at the Salem Civic Center.  I don't think they work out that much better holding them "on campus".

2.  Holding the play-in games a day before the banquet would adversely affect this premier ODAC event.  It would no longer kick off the tournament, but take place during the tournament, which would change the atmosphere from "pre-games" to "in-games".  There is a reason for holding the Olympic opening ceremony before the games begin.

3. What is the justice in adding a game for seeds 7 and 8, but not for the 6 higher seeds?

4. Since I'm sure you wouldn't want to advocate special treatment for just men's basketball, you need to consider the logistics for a women's basketball tournament.  With 11 teams participating, you get to hold another play-in game between 10/11 before you get to an even number of teams.

5. Since there is nothing special about basketball from the perspective of all the other sports, I'm sure you see the imperative for expanding the tournaments to include all ODAC teams competing in men's lacrosse, women's lacrosse, men's soccer, women's soccer, softball, baseball, volleyball, field hockey etc.  There are lots of sports in which there are 7, 9, or 11 teams participating which pose the challenge of a play-off game before the play-games begin.  If you want a headache, work out the logistics of holding an eleven-team double-elimination baseball or softball tournament. 

6.  Besides, I like the idea of playing a regular season that results in the lowest performing teams getting eliminated from ODAC tournament participation.  I think it adds incentives for "not-very-good" teams to work hard to make the tournament.

Hasanova & Eh...., are you ready to agree it was a very bad idea, or do you want the arguments full-blast rather than abreviated?   

[mybleedinghands]

Since the ODAC currently has ten schools that compete in men's basketball, has there ever been any consideration for a conference tournament that includes all ten teams?  ...  Maybe the NCAA or the ODAC imposes a limit on the number of games, but I'd just like to see every team get a shot in the postseason.

The "I'd just like to see every team get a shot in the postseason" sounds reasonable at
first glance, but its got lots of problems once you start to look more carefully. 

1.  The economics don't work out to hold the two play-in games at the Salem Civic Center.  I don't think they work out that much better holding them "on campus".

2.  Holding the play-in games a day before the banquet would adversely affect this premier ODAC event.  It would no longer kick off the tournament, but take place during the tournament, which would change the atmosphere from "pre-games" to "in-games".  There is a reason for holding the Olympic opening ceremony before the games begin.

3. What is the justice in adding a game for seeds 7 and 8, but not for the 6 higher seeds?

4. Since I'm sure you wouldn't want to advocate special treatment for just men's basketball, you need to consider the logistics for a women's basketball tournament.  With 11 teams participating, you get to hold another play-in game between 10/11 before you get to an even number of teams.

5. Since there is nothing special about basketball from the perspective of all the other sports, I'm sure you see the imperative for expanding the tournaments to include all ODAC teams competing in men's lacrosse, women's lacrosse, men's soccer, women's soccer, softball, baseball, volleyball, field hockey etc.  There are lots of sports in which there are 7, 9, or 11 teams participating which pose the challenge of a play-off game before the play-games begin.  If you want a headache, work out the logistics of holding an eleven-team double-elimination baseball or softball tournament. 

6.  Besides, I like the idea of playing a regular season that results in the lowest performing teams getting eliminated from ODAC tournament participation.  I think it adds incentives for "not-very-good" teams to work hard to make the tournament.

Hasanova & Eh...., are you ready to agree it was a very bad idea, or do you want the arguments full-blast rather than abreviated?   

I heard that some of the coaches had been discussing the idea of such a tournament format.

[3sdown]

Loesel-

On that note:  I think only the top 2 teams should play...Hell that would make logistics a lot easier!

Only a slight joke, but to be honest I don't see what is so great about playing in the Salem Civic Center in front of a bunch of "elderly" people.  No one wants to hear my rants on this subject...Just like many have tired of Steely's rants on the ODAC scheduling.  BUT, I hate the fact that the ODAC Tournament is at the Salem Civic Center.  I would like to see the games played at the top seed all the way through the tournament. 

Doing this makes seeding all that more important.  Additionally, it will look like a DIII basketball game, especially in the semifinals and finals b/c the higher seed team will fill the stands (at least at most of the schools, such as HSC, VWC, RMC, and probably others.).  And students might actually come to the game.  The environment would be great and it would showcase many of the gyms in the ODAC that are now nicer (not in regards to size, but actual facilities) than the Salem Civic Center. 

Don't get me wrong...I think the Rotary Club is great and they are extremely nice and the ODAC should be appreciative of their efforts, but I think we should bring these events back to the campuses in order to create great environments on the ODAC campuses.

Just my two cents...Go Macon.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] Beating Bridgewater (sorry, Kid) isn't much of a surprise.

Hey, below the belt! 

[jdubyadubya]

I'm with you "kid." Unnecessary remark. Kicking someone when they are down just isn't fair.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Hasanova & Eh...., are you ready to agree it was a very bad idea, or do you want the arguments full-blast rather than abreviated?   

You make a lot of good points, especially your second and sixth ones.  Your other four points could be easily argued against, but the aforementioned ones are most likely the reasons the ODAC has stayed (and will stay) with the eight-team format.

[...] I hate the fact that the ODAC Tournament is at the Salem Civic Center. I would like to see the games played at the top seed all the way through the tournament.

As much as I loved the atmosphere at Dickinson College for the Centennial women's basketball tournament last season (the Devils were the highest seed), I think having a conference tournament at a neutral site helps even out the playing field in producing the best team to send the big dance.

Not to mention the ODAC tournament was well attended last year with 764 fans a game.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I'm with you "kid." Unnecessary remark. Kicking someone when they are down just isn't fair.

Haha, hey now ... we might be 9-14, but consider the following;

Of the seven other teams in the tournament, we have already beaten E&H, H-SC and EMU.  Then we only lost to RC by 8, R-MC by 7, GC by 4 and VWC by 3.

So yes I'm aware we are still 3-10 versus the seven tournament teams, but we've shown we can hang with anyone.

That's my spin and I'm stickin' to it! 

[jeloesel]

Loesel-
No one wants to hear my rants on this subject...Just like many have tired of Steely's rants on the ODAC scheduling.  BUT, I hate the fact that the ODAC Tournament is at the Salem Civic Center. 

It must be tournament time again; 3sdown has given his annual rant.   

[3sdown]

Kid (& Loesel)-

764 individuals a game.  Oh that is great!!!!  Most of them sitting on their butts, eating hotdogs/popcorn, and then occassionally taking a nap in the stands...only to get up and get a cup of coffee.  It is just a "crazy" environment that makes my insides tickle and get all fuzy!!!!  And of the 764 fans there might be 20 college students present to see the game...Not b/c they don't want to attend, but b/c it is a relatively long trip for many students.  

764 people is nothing, especially for example, if the game was played at RMC, HSC, or VWC.  A Semi-Final Game or Championship Game at one of these schools, the gym would be rocking and rolling...not "barely" alive as I have seen it in Salem.  

I don't want to get all wound up, but it doesn't even the playing field b/c the tournament is right in the backyard of one particular team.  And I have been in Salem when this "advantage" is fully evident...The same could be said about HSC (just lacking many of their students, but having a strong alumni support base).  If there is a slight neutralization, the slight neutralization does not outweigh the creation of a DIII College Basketball environment at these games, especially the semi-final and Championship Game.

This is my last rant on this subject of the 05-06 Basketball Season.  (I will say it all again next year at this time I am sure just as Steely does with the idiotic ODAC scheduling.)  No matter what someone else posts!  I will return to my cave in Blacksburg, Virginia where I enjoy studying Public Administration until I make my way down to Salem on Saturday Evening at the ODAC Tournament.  In the mean time, I must seek out a powdered whig, a cane, and a seat cushion so that I will fit in down at Salem.

(Notice:  I will only be able to post these particular ideas for a couple more years due to my natural aging process...But maybe I can convince some of the younger individuals (or "lads") on this board to take up the cause of moving the Tournament out of Salem, Virginia.)