MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[jeloesel]

Here is the final shot that didn't drop for Guilford.  


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[jeloesel]

00 makes like J.J.

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[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

New poll posted.


Previous Question: What are your plans for this weekend's ODAC tournament?
Traveling to Salem - 14 (46.7%)
Listening to the local broadcast on the radio - 1 (3.3%)
Following the action via the internet - 8 (26.7%)
Checking the final scores when I get a chance - 4 (13.3%)
Joining '3sdown' and boycotting the awful thing - 3 (10%)

Total Votes: 30

[Brian Hamilton]

3sdown,
I agree with your assessment of the game.  The officials were bad and made some very strange calls.  (Of course, most of the fans I spoke with felt the officiating last night was much worse than today.)  I had a couple of questions for you as a Macon fan.

1.  Did you think Prehmus was backcourt or was it hit by both the Macon player and Prehmus?

2.  Was that a block on Prehmus in the 2nd half or should it have been a charge on Macon?

3.  Did you feel the officials were consistent?

I agree with your assessment on the Edwards shot.  It was amazing that he even hit it and I too felt he got it off before the shot clock.

My assessment of the game is that Sydney lost it.  The officials may not have helped the cause, but when you have a 9 point lead with about 4 minutes to go you have to finish the game.  I felt ok going into overtime until Lewek fouled out.  That was really the final blow for HSC.  The Tigers needed Lewek to guard Hawley.  Laakso will be good in the future but was just not strong enough or experienced enough to play the defense against a much stronger and more experienced player in Hawley.

[Brian Hamilton]

My picks

VWC over Macon - 83-74

[algernon]

Steelyglen ... I just realized that I can send you my semifinal picks from Salem by e-mail via my cell phone.  Oh, the advantages of technologies that I'm still just learning to appreciate!  If it's OK, I'd like to retract my semifinal picks until after the quarterfinals are done.  My pick of E&H to beat Guilford may turn out wrong, and I may need to choose between the Marlins and the Quakers in the semifinals, rather than between the Marlins and the Wasps.

oops...where was the e-mail by cell phone?

Steelyglen ... I guess I sent it to the wrong address .... I sent it at 12:17a.m. last night to <GWilliford@nc.rr.com>.  Now that I've looked at your address again, I see that I missed the "3" after "GWilliford".  I wonder whether anyone got the message and what they might have thought of this cryptic message from someone they didn't know:  "VWC 78, Guilford 70;  HSC 72, RMC 69."  Oh, well ...

[justafan02]

I believe the top seed should have the bye into the finals or that algernon should forward his original e-mail and be awarded the trip to the semis.  My pick for the final is:

VWC  75  RMC 68

[CT]

my pick for tomorrow's game is VWC 78 HSC 72....oh wait, that won't be the match up, i forgot, the officials decided that things like passes being knocked down are jump balls and shots in the air when the buzzer sounds count as shot clock violations (since it swished it didn't hit the rim...).  i also neglected how their eagle eyes caught 12 HSC fouls to RMC's had 4 at one point in the 2nd half, but hey, HSC finally had the double bonus in overti....wait no...no, 25 minutes of basketball and RMC didn't commit 10 fouls, great job officials

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Steelyglen ... I guess I sent it to the wrong address .... I sent it at 12:17a.m. last night to <GWilliford@nc.rr.com>.  Now that I've looked at your address again, I see that I missed the "3" after "GWilliford".  I wonder whether anyone got the message and what they might have thought of this cryptic message from someone they didn't know:  "VWC 78, Guilford 70;  HSC 72, RMC 69."  Oh, well ...

Oh well!  That's the price you pay for not "manning up" and posting your picks on here.

Just kidding ... I'm with justafan02 and think that you should be in the semis (if in fact mr_divac didn't try to send his too).

I'll have to sleep on my pick for the final.

[algernon]

I'm so confident of my pick of Roanoke, I'm willing to make a side bet of a bottle of RC.  (I have one left over from Stan Bright's shipment last year and it may not meet health standards much longer.)   

After Roanoke's loss to HSC on Saturday evening, I went to the semifinals today with high anticipation of the RC that I assumed Jim would bring to the game to pay off his debt.  Boy, it would taste good during the HSC - RMC game!

But the rest of you posters should beware that, when it comes to Royal Crown Cola, Jim Loesel is a hoarder and will do anything necessary to avoid letting go of one.  Unbelievably, he actually pulled a ">" on me this afternoon and offered to pay off his debt with a Dr. Pepper, offering some lame excuse about "leaving the RC on the table by the door" as he left his house.

Needless to say, I refused his pleas that I just go along with his reprehensible effort to get away with a "substitute" for RC ....


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[3sdown]

3sdown,
I agree with your assessment of the game.  The officials were bad and made some very strange calls.  (Of course, most of the fans I spoke with felt the officiating last night was much worse than today.)  I had a couple of questions for you as a Macon fan.

1.  Did you think Prehmus was backcourt or was it hit by both the Macon player and Prehmus?

2.  Was that a block on Prehmus in the 2nd half or should it have been a charge on Macon?

3.  Did you feel the officials were consistent?

I agree with your assessment on the Edwards shot.  It was amazing that he even hit it and I too felt he got it off before the shot clock.

My assessment of the game is that Sydney lost it.  The officials may not have helped the cause, but when you have a 9 point lead with about 4 minutes to go you have to finish the game.  I felt ok going into overtime until Lewek fouled out.  That was really the final blow for HSC.  The Tigers needed Lewek to guard Hawley.  Laakso will be good in the future but was just not strong enough or experienced enough to play the defense against a much stronger and more experienced player in Hawley.

1.  The backcourt was a good call.  The ball was deflected by Sutherland I believe, but then hit Prehmus on the leg and went back court.  Prehmus picked it up and the backcourt was called.  The issue is team control.  B/c the ball hit Prehmus (even though he individually did not have control) the ball is still in team control of the Tigers.  If the ball had not hit Prehmus it would not have been a backcourt.  Common sense tells you that it shouldn't be backcourt.  However, common sense isn't right b/c the rule sucks and needs to be changed.  The correct call was made in my opinion, according to the rule.  (Additional note:  Most of the time this play happens the coach goes crazy and fan goes crazy like today.)

2.  I thought the block call in the 2nd half should have been a charge.  The official told Bubba Smith that Prehmus moved under the Macon player.  From my angle (and I had a really good one) Prehmus was set and gave Krovic I believe it was close to two steps in order to change his direction.  I thought it should have been a charge.  But, I may be wrong?

3.  Consistent?  I haven't looked at a stat sheet, but the first half was like 12 fouls against Macon and 5 against HSC.  The 2nd half was the opposite basically with a few more called on Macon.  The first 7-8 minutes of the game it was as if the officials weren't there...There was an excellent flow to the game and to be fair the officials the two teams were playing clean basketball.  However, as the 1st half progressed more and more fouls were called particularly on Macon and Rhoades was obviously pissed about it.  The 2nd half was the opposite...Not sure why?  But more fouls on HSC and not many on RMC.  Rhoades was mad even though not many fouls had been called on Macon in the 2nd half...Macon was more aggressive in the 2nd half resulting in more foul calls.  HSC was not as aggressive in my opinion in the 2nd half resulting in less calls for them.  

However, I wouldn't describe the officiating as consistent, but it wasn't totally inconsistent.  Just a hard ball game to call.  The technial foul on Rhoades had to do with illegal screens.  If an official is going to call one illegal screen then the officials (each of them) must get every illegal screen.  And illegal screens involve a lot of discretion (more so than many other calls in my opinion)...Just listen to all the bitching in the ACC about UVA and its screens.  Additionally, there were times in my opinion that individuals would get called for a slight bump or handcheck on the perimeter, but then Wansley, Kaase, Hawley, etc. were beating the snot out of each other and getting bumped considerablly.  Thus, my assessment was that the officiating was average in this regard.  

What worries me more are the calls that have to be gotten right...like the shot by Edwards over the backboard.  They may have gotten this right and hope they did, but that is a play as officials that can't be missed.  Additionally, the out of bounce play at the end of regulation (although it didn't hurt the Tigers in the end) was questionable?  I would have to see it on tape to see if was right b/c I didn't have angle to make a judgement call.  Additionally, I thought the officials got a little flustered...They seemed to be a little unsure like on the backcourt call...Even though I am 100% sure they got this right.  

However, officiating is the hardest job to do...And few people sign up to do it.  Big game with lots of people.  Intense coaches (at least Coach Rhoades)...Lot on the line, etc.  All of us can sit in the stands and comment, but it is much different being out there on the floor making quick judgement calls.  Just like the teams in the ODAC...There are many bad players.  THere are many good players that have bad games.  There are bad coaches.  There are good coaches that coach bad games.  They same is true with officials...

At least that is my perspective.        

[3sdown]

On other note to all the FOLKS who want to blame the game on the officials....CAN'T DO THAT...NEVER CAN DO THAT.  I bet Coach Smith isn't doing that!  HSC got some bad calls, but so did Macon.  HSC had a chance to take the lead with 20 seconds left, but settled for a 24 foot 3 pointer rather than getting the ball to Kaase.  HSC had a chance to win the game with 1.4 seconds left, but threw the ball out (or near) of bounce.  The Tigers had 5 minutes in overtime to beat the Yellow Jackets.  Additionally, all that happened throughout the game cannot be negated by officials.  Particularly this game...Players and coaches determine the game, not officials.

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actually when an errant shot clock violation is called on a shot that went in the officials took actual points off the board and since it went into OT the officials helped determine the outcome of the game, also, when a team is in the bonus for 13+ minutes of the 2nd half and the double bonus for 8 minutes plus 5 of overtime on some rather questionable calls while not having any calls on the other end when there definitely should have been some that helps determine outcomes.  RMC was down 10 with around 10 minutes left but were able to catch up in less time because horrible calls sent them straight to the line and shortened their TOP, extending the game pretty much and giving them time to come back when there shouldn't have been as much

[steelyglen]

algernon...you've been a friend to the ODAC board since its inception...in an precedented and unilateral move (and since we;ve gotten no respnse at all from mr_divac)...I have reinstated you into the semi-finals and posted your scores for future use if needed!

A dictator's work is never done! As soon as I receive algernon's score for tomorrown night the semifinals pairings will be set...

get the e-mail address right this time Glen

[steelyglen]

remember playas...the champion will be determined by the total points added from ALL games and compared to the predicted scores from our 2 finalists...bsically we will decided semis and finals tomorrow night...good luck guru's!