MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[2RMCFans]

It looks like D Carlson is still a student, taking the hard road in concentrating on getting his grades up to finish college AND play next season.  Kudos to him!  He seems to be a very complex young man who is just loaded with basketball talent.

He was being seriously taunted by the W & L students sitting in our student section last Sat.  (Our students were on J-term break.)  He kept his cool quite well and nailed some really key shots in that win.

We're going to miss watching him for the rest of this season and lots of R-MC fans are steady pulling for him to get back on the team as soon as he can. 

[Jacketlawyer]

We're going to miss watching him for the rest of this season and lots of R-MC fans are steady pulling for him to get back on the team as soon as he can. 

As am I.  Good luck to him with all of that. 8)

[baselinejam]

It looks like D Carlson is still a student, taking the hard road in concentrating on getting his grades up to finish college AND play next season.  Kudos to him!  He seems to be a very complex young man who is just loaded with basketball talent.

He was being seriously taunted by the W & L students sitting in our student section last Sat.  (Our students were on J-term break.)  He kept his cool quite well and nailed some really key shots in that win.

We're going to miss watching him for the rest of this season and lots of R-MC fans are steady pulling for him to get back on the team as soon as he can. 

It looked, to me, that he was encouraging the W&L fans.

[2RMCFans]

That's probably the proverbial chicken and egg issue...

He's had the grace to come off the bench when called, putting in solid performances during the last few games he played, knowing he'd not be playing once the spring semester started.  I admire that & just wish him the best for the rest of his college experience. 

R-MC has a great group of players this year & they've all worked hard to get to where they are in the very talented ODAC.  Go Jackets! 

[hasanova]

With luck, I should make both GC home games in Greensboro this weekend.  If any BC and EMU fans are in town, please let me know and I'll say hello!  The Quakers are playing well right now, but sometimes have trouble with team match-ups ... particularly, it seems with BC.  Trawick, Parkes and others on these two squads always make me nervous!  Go Quakers!

[sludge]

With luck, I should make both GC home games in Greensboro this weekend.  If any BC and EMU fans are in town, please let me know and I'll say hello!  The Quakers are playing well right now, but sometimes have trouble with team match-ups ... particularly, it seems with BC.  Trawick, Parkes and others on these two squads always make me nervous!  Go Quakers!

See you at the BC game, Has.  Trawick can't possibly shoot as well in every game as he did last game against us.  Can he?

3 good games tomorrow, nice matchups.  EMU - E&H is an interesting contrast of styles.  The best matchup is probably VWC - Randolph Macon.

But Guilford can never overlook Bridgewater.  Not likely.

[rmc1982]

It looks like D Carlson is still a student, taking the hard road in concentrating on getting his grades up to finish college AND play next season.  Kudos to him!  He seems to be a very complex young man who is just loaded with basketball talent.

He was being seriously taunted by the W & L students sitting in our student section last Sat.  (Our students were on J-term break.)  He kept his cool quite well and nailed some really key shots in that win.

We're going to miss watching him for the rest of this season and lots of R-MC fans are steady pulling for him to get back on the team as soon as he can. 

We're going to miss watching him for the rest of this season and lots of R-MC fans are steady pulling for him to get back on the team as soon as he can. 

As am I.  Good luck to him with all of that. 8)

Good for him for staying in school and sticking it out-hopefully he will be a better player AND a person from all of this adversity-most great things come from people who have the courage to overcome adversity like this-I applaud him!I am in Colorado Springs on business all weekend and it's KILLING ME not to be in the screaming frenzy that will surely be happening in Crenshaw sat. evening-y'all have fun -and GO JACKETS!...I'll be listening to Marty and Co on my laptop......

[hasanova]

http://www.pennatlantic.com/main.php?module=event-detail&eventId=5178

The Guilford/Bridgewater game will be videocast from Greensboro by Penn Atlantic at 3 pm EST.  There is a $3.50 charge, but it is available.  Enjoy.

[hasanova]

The Quakers win their 10th in a row and move to 18-4, 13-2 with a 77-69 win over the Eagles.  Strong had 25, Henson 18 and Sanborn 12.  Only six players scored for Guilford and they missed 11 of 30 FTs.  Not sure why Trawick didn't start, but he hit for 19, including five second-half 3-pointers, to keep it close.  Fox chipped in 11.  BC falls to 6-9 in ODAC play, but I was impressed with the Eagles during their comeback after trailing 40-22 early in the second half.

A spectacular alley-oop pass from Henson outside the 3-point arc for a Strong catch and dunk!  Sweet!

[rmc1982]

VWC up by 2 at half on RMC-36-34

[rmc1982]

VWC comes back in the last 3 minutes and wins in crenshaw 69-66.......they just played better than we did in the end......

[DeWayneCarter]

That game right there was a classic.... the stands were packed, both teams played hard, the refs let the teams play, and the game came down to a last second shot.

[3sdown]

With the risk of sounding like a sore loser, I am not sure that the it is accurate to say that the "officials let the players play."  I would rather say that it would have been better if the officials had not shown up last night in Ashland, VA.  This was the worst officiated game I have seen at any level in some time. 

First of all, there was one official of the crew (young fella) that had no business being on that court last night as an official.  He appeared to be scared and shaken from the tip-off.  There were several calls that in my opinion he had to guess at due to bad positioning on the floor or that he required his partners to make that were not necessarily their particular area to be making calls.  I was sitting with a number of individuals that made this comment throughout the game--even some individuals with substantial officiating experience. 

Second, the technical on Roades was interesting.  There was a break away for a RMC player.  There was a hard foul by a pursuing VWC player.  It was questionable whether it should have been intentional/flagrant foul...Personally, I think the young official (as noted above) made the right call and called a regular foul.  He reports the foul to the table...Rhoades is waving his arms and going nuts.  He was in his box, but he was demonstrative.  But this official does not call a technical on Rhoades, but one of the "elder" officials comes off of the baseline and Ts Rhoades up in defense of the young official.  My personal problem with the call is that the young official should have given the technial.  You make the call (and it was a 50-50 call) then defend your call.  Don't rely on a "elder" partner to come in and have to support you.  Personally, I disagree with this officiating philosophy.  The young official may have been okay with Rhoades actions given the situation...I am not sure?  Or the young official wasn't strong enough to make the T himself?   

Third, to make the situation worse about 4 or 5 game minutes...There was a real questionable call on VWC and Macedo went nuts.  He went nuts on the eldest official on the court that has been doing ODAC games for quite some time.  Macedo was just as demonstrative and loud as Rhoades.  But the official merely looked at him and told him to sit down or be quite.  Macedo continued and the official just ran to the other end. (And note that the call here was not near has controversial as the call made earlier that Rhoades reacted to.)

Fourth, at one point in the 2nd Half the foul totals were 7-1 in favor of RMC.  Over the next many minutes there was a conscious effort on the part of the officials to "even" up the foul tally.  Again this is a traditional officiating practice, but this removed any flow to the game.  There were a few tick tack fouls called on RMC to even things up.  Again, not a big fan of this officiating technique...And does not lead me to the conclusion that the officials let the players play.  Rather the officials in some ways dictated the flow of the 2nd half for a 4 or 5 minute stretch in trying to even up the fouls somewhat. 

Fifth, I found it utterly ridiculous the behavior of some players on VWC during the final 2 seconds of the game.  And I know that there were some comments from HSC fans in regards to RMC players at HSC.  I will say that this type of behavior regardless of the team does not deserve to be a part of ODAC basketball.  And last night the officials should have done something about this...Either the ODAC is going to uphold sportsmanship or it is not.  Part of this involves the officials making judgement calls.  After Short missed a running jumper 3 seconds left and VWC got the ball there was a foul.  On the way down to shoot the free throws a few VWC players were running up and down the sidelines yelling at the fans, talking crap, etc.  The elder official that had what was in my opinion a double standard for Macedo (on the lack of a technical call) tried to get Macedo's attention to warn him about the VWC players during the exchange.  Meanwhile the VWC player is still "taunting" and clearly being unsportsmanlike.  Again, where are the officials...They shouldn't tolerate this behavior and since when are the rules not enforced in the final few seconds of the game? 

This is not a VWC issue, but an ODAC issue.  I am quite honestly tired of going to games and seeing this type of behavior.  Isn't the ODAC better than this as a whole?  And I think the officials in the ODAC need to action and the Conference ought to support them in their action.  Those kids should have been thrown out of the game last night.  And the kids for RMC that did it at HSC should have been thrown out of the game.  If this impacts the result of the game so be it.  That is why the game is played for 40 minutes...not 39 minutes and 58 seconds.  I think the conference and many of the teams have sacrificed in this area and it is disappointing regardless of who wins the game.  It is just not about wins, but something about a fair, honest, sportsmanlike competition. 

And I know some folks are going to get on here and say that is our culture, etc.  Well, I am 28 years old and I don't like that culture and I think our institutions within society should do something alter the destruction of the moral principles of our society.  Whether these institutions are eductional, atheltic conferences, government institutions, or private sector corporations there is a principle to stand on. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Oh I love when we compare officiating calls at different points in a game and with different outcomes!

Just curious, in the comparison on Rhoades' T and Macedo's non-T... can you give us quote for quote on what the two coaches may have been saying? Actions may speak louder than words, but when it comes to officiating, words actually speak louder. How do we know Rhoades didn't use one of those priceless words that draw T's and ejections faster than taunting fans? And how do we know Macedo didn't. I know how both coaches coach and are expressive in their actions. But from your description, I wouldn't be surprised if Rhoades used a no-no word while possibly Macedo didn't. Though, I wasn't there, so I would love to hear what they may have actually be saying. (That being said, at a lot of games I am sitting near coaches and I can't quote you what they are saying all the time with everything else going on.)

Secondly, I have usually seen officials that aren't the ones who called the original call being the ones applying the T's. The reason is simple, they are the closest in those situations to the coach. And that is usually where the priceless words are used. Also, while they aren't defending the other coach, they aren't going to allow a coach to show that official up, either. That other official may have also been the one that earlier warned a coach or is the head official. Just because one official makes a call doesn't eliminate the other refs from calling something following that call. There are three officials on the floor and they aren't disallowed from calling something, just because the other official made a call prior.

[donho]

  VWC@RMC   Let me start by saying that both teams gave away chances to win the game. In the end vwc found a way to get the W. For that I say good job. Do I like the outcome? No way ! Enough said.
   Bad calls (bothways), you bet! Bonehead mistakes by players(both teams) you bet! Hard played emotional game. d-mac the play/call that 3sdown was refering to took place right in front of me. The ref that called the foul was about 6 feet from coach R. The ref that T'd up Coach R was about 15-18 feet away. Think he heard something that the other ref heard? I doubt it!! In my mind to make matters worst the next time down the court the ref that called the T  no doubt in my mind tried to bait coach R into another T. If you can get the film and watch you would not miss.it. He came down the floor and stopped right beside coach,as coach worked his way down the bench said ref followed. As for coach M I don't think he did anything wrong it was just the old saying Hey" what is good for the goose is good for the gander"
   3sdown, you are correct 100 percent, not acceptable. I will go one better and say that I am tired of seeing TONTON get away with this sh..t. I have know idea why he did not get T'd up as the older offical was actually running stride for stride with him down the court. What the offical did do was go over and tell coach M about it. (At least that appeared to be what took place as the offical at the whistle ran directly over to coach M and pointed at tonton and said something) I have seen 7 VWC games this year and I guess that because of their recent success  it appears are getting the benefit.(?) That type of benefit belongs in the NBA not d3 sports.
   In general i would say that the officating was about on average with what i have seen all year.
   As I said before nice win for vwc,and I hope we get you one more time in Salem