MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[rmc1982]

Jackets win 70-58!! and FINALLY get the VWC monkey off their back........and play flat,solid DEFENSE the 2nd half! only allow,I think, 21 points in the 2nd half...GREAT WIN for our guys today!! ...and a gritty, gutsy performance...we're playing our best at the right time...on to Fleet wed nite...u guys @ HSC got the rotten tomatoes and the nasty language ready?  Its that time again..now we'll see what we can do in front of a VERY hostile crowd..can we handle it?...only time will tell......Go Jackets!!

[donho]

 Good game today by the Jackets. But , can they do it on wed. away from home, against a good team who will be waiting for them. I hope so! Lets see if they can live up to pre-season hype! I know the coach's will do everything to get them ready.

[hasanova]

Guilford leading at Lynchburg 67-56 with 6+ minutes to go.

[hasanova]

Final at Lynchburg:  GC 85, LC 69

The Quakers improve to 19-4, 12-2 while the Hornets drop to 3-20, 1-13. 

GC stays 1/2 game behind RMC (13-2) as the Yellow Jackets finish at HSC next Wednesday.  Meanwhile, the Quakers go to E&H Wednesday and host Randolph next Saturday.  This is the 12th straight loss for LC.

Five Guilford players in double figures:  Tyler Sanborn 18/16 (13 defensive rebounds), Henson 19, Bonner 15, Neville 12 and Stephenson 11.

Lynchburg led by Woodridge 28, Echols 18 and Mendez 10.

Other scores:

RMC 70, VWC 58  Big win for the Jackets.
E&H 71, Randolph 66  Expected result in Emory.
BC 67, W&L 66 OT  A mild surprise in Lexington for the Oblitey-less Eagles.
Roanoke at EMU 7 pm Huge game to determine seeding.
HSC DNP  Get rested for "The Game"!

[donho]

  Don't understand how you can say that EMU overachieved. We hear on this board most of the year how good they can be and what a fine job by Coach Dean. Now you think he could get COY cause they overachieved.

[2RMCFans]

A very exciting day in Crenshaw... no box score available yet, but Asst. Coach Whitcomb said that Justin Short had 20 pts.  Danny Jones had a really big day, too, with perhaps 17 pts.  And, as mentioned already the defense was SOLID today.  Must shore up the FT shooting to really put opponents away.

The Jackets usually play tough in Farmville... so we're picking them to be more than ready for the always challenging game against the Tigers.

Congrats to all the winners around the ODAC today.

GO JACKETS!!!!

[Jeremybozz]

 Roanoke 84, EMU 63 Final

[emufan]

DonHo,

What the heck are you talking about?  Each year EMU is picked to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 in the league.  It doesn't really matter what the fans think, but what the coaches feel when they vote for preseason awards and then post season. 

It seems like EMU couldn't shoot the ball in the ocean this evening.  26% for the game and 13% from 3's.  Looks like they were lucky to be as close as they were at the half.

[hasanova]

  Don't understand how you can say that EMU overachieved. We hear on this board most of the year how good they can be and what a fine job by Coach Dean. Now you think he could get COY cause they overachieved.

Okay, this season the Royals are 14-9, 8-6 after six years of:

2007-08   9-17, 5-13
2006-07   7-17, 3-15
2005-06   11-15, 6-12
2004-05   12-13, 8-10
2003-04   6-19, 4-14
2002-03   3-22, 1-17

EMU was picked to finish 8th in the preseason poll and are currently 5th with two games to go.  I believe "overachieved" was an innocuous, but accurate choice.  Given these facts, what word would you prefer? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Unless ODAC is different than CCIW in this regard, the key is COACH's expectations (posters are irrelevant) - they vote the pre-season poll; they vote the post-season awards.

I'd guess the COY is (at least 95% of the time) either the conference winner or the one who MOST exceeded the COACH's expectations.  Barring somehow succeeding despite an extreme rash of injuries, make that 100%.

[Pat Coleman]

Overachieved = did more than they were capable of.

What you mean, I think, is that they beat expectations. They achieved what they were capable of, it's just that they were capable of more than most people thought.

[hasanova]

Overachieved = did more than they were capable of.

What you mean, I think, is that they beat expectations. They achieved what they were capable of, it's just that they were capable of more than most people thought.

I do (did) mean they beat expectations.  Consider this definition of "overachieve(d)" from my copy of The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:

"To perform better or achieve more success than expected."

EMU was expected to finish 8th (by the ODAC coaches), but they're currently 5th.  If you're picked 8th, that ostensibly means you were only expected to be better than positions 9-11 which, assuming you played each twice, would be six wins.  The Royals have eight ODAC wins.  I'm respectfully sticking by my comment.

[Pat Coleman]

It still has a backhanded-compliment connotation in sports. That's probably causing the consternation here.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat, with due respect, I'll stick up for hasanova here.

Assuming that ODAC coaches vote the pre-season poll and also vote the COY, if a team finishes considerably better than 'expected', then they also 'overachieved' in the minds of the relevant voters.  I believe you are making a distinction which may be true in the abstract, but does not exist in reality.

[Jeremybozz]

 I am not saying Don Burgess should get the award but he should be on the short list.
BC was picked to finish 6th and the Eagles are currently tied for 3rd, though Roanoke holds the tiebreaker.
They have a win over #24 Guilford and are 2-1 without Oblitey.
Let's see what happens down the stretch vs EMU and at Lynchburg.
Going 11-5 in the ODAC would certainly be an accomplishment for BC.