MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

jdubyadubya · October 29, 2009, 02:46:44 PM

Oldfish = +1

hasanova · October 30, 2009, 12:15:24 AM

Here's a published look at the 2009-10 ODAC preseason coaches' poll - my remarks are in Blue parentheses:

(first-place votes in parentheses)

1. Guilford (10) 119 (had to be one 3rd place vote - sorry, I'm not seeing it)

2. Virginia Wesleyan (1) 103 (actually should be 2T and I'm not seeing this 1st place vote, but time will tell)

2. Randolph-Macon 103 (actually should be 2T - I think RMC's still a contender without Rhoades and Short)

3. Eastern Mennonite 83 (actually, should be 4 - but backs up our expectations for an improved EMU squad)

4. Hampden-Sydney 80 (actually should be 5 - HSC's always tough)

5. Roanoke 63 (actually should be 6 - the Maroons have started fast, but faded)

6. Bridgewater 54 (actually should be 7 - lost a few players, but have talent)

7. Washington and Lee 44 (actually should be 8 - heard they recruited well and have Caleb Kimborough as an assistant!)

8. Emory & Henry 36 (actually should be 9 - I think "the System" is about done in Emory!)

10. Randolph 24 (Yaay! Their position is correct! Making waves, but not there yet!)

11. Lynchburg 17 (I think the only reason they won't finish 12th is because Shenandoah is hoping to join only for football at the moment!)

jdubyadubya · October 30, 2009, 07:48:44 AM

Nova - Obviously you are partial to the Quakers as I am to the Marlins

That being said, it's true that GC has the stats on their side going into 2009/2010 but I think I'm safe in saying that VWC is a solid top 5 team. I actually picked them to finish atop the ODAC this year but then perhaps my partiality is winning out. I also like what I've been hearing about W&L and think they are higher than picked. The Fighting Emu fans are blowing a lot of smoke right now about their supposed great players but how many times have we heard that in the last many years on this board! Not too long now before the first tip off

Jeremybozz · October 30, 2009, 08:33:59 AM

Quote from: oldfish on October 28, 2009, 05:04:19 PM
wpspencer22-

Please don't take offense but the people on this board don't get too worked up over statements about any DI transfer. I hope that EMU is competitive this year and that your cousin plays well but we have seen this situation a hundred (if not more) times. There have been many players who transferred to an ODAC school from DI programs who failed to live up to the hype.

People love labels and being a DI guy sounds great but doesn't make you a better player. If your cousin comes into the ODAC thinking it won't be extremely competitive then he will surely fail. There is a laundry list of transfer guys who made that mistake. Also, almost without fail, any DI transfer who played in the ODAC will tell you that it was far more competitive than they ever imagined.

I remember 20 years ago when Ramsey Yeatts sat on the bench at James Madison and then dominated the ODAC at Bridgewater as a Junior and Senior, landing All American honors.
It does seem to be more difficult now though.

hasanova · October 30, 2009, 09:33:05 AM

Quote from: jdubyadubya on October 30, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
Nova - Obviously you are partial to the Quakers as I am to the Marlins That being said, it's true that GC has the stats on their side going into 2009/2010 but I think I'm safe in saying that VWC is a solid top 5 team. I actually picked them to finish atop the ODAC this year but then perhaps my partiality is winning out. I also like what I've been hearing about W&L and think they are higher than picked. The Fighting Emu fans are blowing a lot of smoke right now about their supposed great players but how many times have we heard that in the last many years on this board! Not too long now before the first tip off

Hey, jww - yeah, I am partial to GC, but I also try to be a realist. I really do think the Quakers should have been the unanimous preseason 1st place pick this season ... but someone voted them 3rd. If you have 10 first place votes and get 119 points, that's the only possible scenario. I truly think RMC and VWC should have split the 2nd and 3rd place votes and, for the most part, it looks as though they did. I agree, let the season begin!

HSC85 · October 30, 2009, 10:32:36 AM

I don't know how it is in basketball. However in the football preseason poll each coach can't vote for his own team. That may expain why Guilford is not unanimous #1 in the pre-season poll. I can't expain a third place vote.

jdubyadubya · October 30, 2009, 03:01:53 PM

Check out the pre-season basketball release on the VWC athletics site, www.vwc.edu and follow to athletics, etc.

Jacketlawyer · October 30, 2009, 03:22:23 PM

Quote from: jdubyadubya on October 28, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
Posters - our mutual friend and poster STH aka. Scottie Too Hottie has asked me to let you know that if you have a burning deisre to visit the Lynchburg site, there's a release there you should read about the upcoming season:
http://www.lynchburg.edu/x22573.xml.

Thanks for the link, JWW. I was wondering when STH would rear up.

Looks like R-M doesn't come to LC this year, though. Too bad. Always enjoy that game!

hasanova · October 30, 2009, 03:52:38 PM

Quote from: HSC85 on October 30, 2009, 10:32:36 AM
I don't know how it is in basketball. However in the football preseason poll each coach can't vote for his own team. That may expain why Guilford is not unanimous #1 in the pre-season poll. I can't expain a third place vote.

HSC85 - I thought of that, but the math points to all eleven coaches getting a vote with 11 for 1st, 10 for 2nd and so forth all the way down to 1 for 11th. To get 119, it's only mathematically possible one way when 10 votes were for 1st:

10 1st place votes X 11 = 110 plus 1 3rd place vote X 9 = 9, so the total's 119

In fact, if all 11 coaches vote, the total points would be (Sum of 1 to 11) x 11 = 726 and (119+103+103+83+80+63+54+44+36+24+17) = 726, so ...

they all voted and ranked eleven teams - now maybe they can't put their team 1st, but they do rank their own team.

Mr. Ypsi · October 30, 2009, 04:09:23 PM

How's this for a hypothesis - Coach Palumbo cast the third place vote while chaneling Lou Holtz?!

HSC85 · October 30, 2009, 04:57:31 PM

Nova,

I should have said "in football a coach can't vote for his team as a 1st place team." They vote for their own team but they can't vote them #1. Sorry for the confusion.

hasanova · October 30, 2009, 07:13:45 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 30, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
How's this for a hypothesis - Coach Palumbo cast the third place vote while chaneling Lou Holtz?!

Now that I can believe!

hasanova · October 30, 2009, 07:16:20 PM

Quote from: HSC85 on October 30, 2009, 04:57:31 PM
Nova,

I should have said "in football a coach can't vote for his team as a 1st place team." They vote for their own team but they can't vote them #1. Sorry for the confusion.

It's OK, 85 - I think I knew what you meant. The fact is, one person voted the Quakes 3rd and I think that's just plain wrong this season! lol

hasanova · October 31, 2009, 09:16:52 AM

Quote from: Jacketlawyer on October 30, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on October 28, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
Posters - our mutual friend and poster STH aka. Scottie Too Hottie has asked me to let you know that if you have a burning deisre to visit the Lynchburg site, there's a release there you should read about the upcoming season:
http://www.lynchburg.edu/x22573.xml.

Thanks for the link, JWW. I was wondering when STH would rear up. Looks like R-M doesn't come to LC this year, though. Too bad. Always enjoy that game!

Hey, Jacketlawyer. The Jackets aren't visiting the Hornets this season, but RMC does come to Lynchburg on January 23 to play Randolph. So you will have a chance to catch the Jackets close to your home this year.

eagleslam · October 31, 2009, 10:13:37 AM

emufan...

You said you wanted to know what other facts were not true. To be technical, all facts are true. It is what makes them facts! So what other "statements" are true would be the proper terminology. But enough grammar!

I checked the Charleston Southern website out of curiousity. Harrison was stated as being in the class of '05, but is not on the stat sheet for the 05-06 season at Charleston Southern. He his on the stat sheet for the 06-07 season. He played in 16 games, shot 4-17 from the field, and averaged less than a point a game. He avaergaed 3 minutes a game for a team that went 8-22.

I agree with other people who have posted about transfers. More times than not, they have not worked out. The three exceptions I can think of are Ramsey Yeatts, Dan Rush (went to BC from a D-2 school and was a beast) and Shane Payne (wasn't able to matriculate at H-SC because of personal issues, but made a great impression while there). Most of the time they transfer because they find out they are not stars at the D-1 level and want more playing time. Being closer to home or maybe they get a better financial aid package from a D-3 school if they are a walk-on at the D-1 school are the other top 3 reasons. Brett Childers at BC was like this and he was a solid player as well. They bring a lot of arrogance and self-entitlement with them if all they are looking for is shots and a bunch of points. This is not necessarily the case with this particular transfer. Eli Crawford is another one that is in a similar boat. If Kirby Dean gets all these new hearlded recruits to play as a unit, they should finish higher than 4th if they are as good as advertised.

wpspencer... I hope things work out for your cousin. You have put him out on a pedastal, and if things do not go as you say they are, you have set both of you up, to put it nicely, for some harsh criticism.