MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

Rumors are pretty strong that Caleb Kimbrough (Guilford '08) will be named an assistant coach for the Quakers.  As many of you know, Matt Parke took the HC job at Averett a few weeks back.  I'm not 100% sure this will happen, but I think it would be a great choice and Caleb's biography has already been removed from the W&L site.

Stay tuned!

[baselinejam]

Rumors are pretty strong that Caleb Kimbrough (Guilford '08) will be named an assistant coach for the Quakers.  As many of you know, Matt Parke took the HC job at Averett a few weeks back.  I'm not 100% sure this will happen, but I think it would be a great choice and Caleb's biography has already been removed from the W&L site.

Stay tuned!

On the coaches web page it say Asst TBA. Geez, I was very happy to have him at W&L. All the feedback I've received has been very positive. The Gennies are looking good for the next couple of years too. Typically assistants only stay in Lexington 2 years. What the heck are they offering him?

Wherever he goes, I wish him much success (even if it is back to his Alma Mater).

[hasanova]

Rumors are pretty strong that Caleb Kimbrough (Guilford '08) will be named an assistant coach for the Quakers.  As many of you know, Matt Parke took the HC job at Averett a few weeks back.  I'm not 100% sure this will happen, but I think it would be a great choice and Caleb's biography has already been removed from the W&L site.

Stay tuned!

On the coaches web page it say Asst TBA. Geez, I was very happy to have him at W&L. All the feedback I've received has been very positive. The Gennies are looking good for the next couple of years too. Typically assistants only stay in Lexington 2 years. What the heck are they offering him?

Wherever he goes, I wish him much success (even if it is back to his Alma Mater).

I spoke to Caleb at the ODAC tournament and I think his year at W&L was good for both him and the Generals.  With that said, however, he didn't know the spot at Guilford would open up.  His family's in NC and, for what it's worth, they still rooted for the Quakers (except, of course, in the two games against the Generals when Caleb was coaching).  To hear Caleb say it, however, he wasn't even 100% sure he could say that about his grandfather!  lol  I haven't seen anything official, but I strongly suspect this rumor is true.

[ODACHOOPS]

Surprisingly...For as wealthy and financially stable as Washington and Lee is and considering that Hutchingson is if not the highest paid coach in the ODAC definitely one of, Washington and Lee pays their assistant coach very little money.  I'm not saying this is the sole reason as to why W&L has had several assistants come and go over the past couple of years but is has to play a role. 

[therock]

Surprisingly...For as wealthy and financially stable as Washington and Lee is and considering that Hutchingson is if not the highest paid coach in the ODAC definitely one of, Washington and Lee pays their assistant coach very little money.  I'm not saying this is the sole reason as to why W&L has had several assistants come and go over the past couple of years but is has to play a role.

W&L assistants, on average, are paid significantly more than the ODAC average. The ODAC average for an assistant coach, in 2008 (the most recent data available on the DOE website) was 9,913 for men's teams and 4,845 for women's teams. The NCAA Division III (with football) average was 8,512 and 5,241. The average for DIII (without football) is 3,822 and 3,556.

W&L's average is 14,319 and 9,357 respectively.

W&L assistants have it good compared to the majority of Division III
http://www.ope.ed.gov/athletics/

[hasanova]

For Kimbrough, I suspect a return to Guilford was more about familiarity and family than money, but, who knows, Guilford could be giving him a better offer as well.  Also, with only two years removed from graduation, this year's GC seniors were his former teammates in 2007-08.  All in all, I think it would be the right decision for his career.

[gordonmann]

Nice article on Tyler Sanborn

http://www.examiner.com/x-46759-Charlotte-Sports-Examiner~y2010m6d18-Hope-and-prayer-Sanborn-battles-for-NBA-summer-league-roster-spot

[ODACHOOPS]

You can't go by what some third party website says to get a accurate amount for what any coach at any level is getting paid.  Those numbers don't include what coaches bring in from camps, boosters, fundraising etc all of which play a significant role in coach's salaries.  Some head coaches account for up to 25-30% of their salary from camps.  I know some program pay their assistance a large amount of money out of boosters or camp profit in order to increase the salary given for that position by the school.  None of that is taken into consideration on those websites.   

All I know is that W&L is one of if not the wealthiest school in the ODAC.  As of two years ago they paid their assistance coach somewhere around 20-25k.  At that same time period Hampden-Sydney's assistance was making around 35-40k. I didn't bring up this point in an attempt to bring down W&L only to make the point that the money may have played an effect in Caleb leaving W&L as well as why they tend to go through assistant coaches quicker than the average ODAC basketball school.

And I can assure you that not 1 men's assistant basketball coach (1st assistant that is) in the entire ODAC is making 10k a year.  Those numbers are so skewed from sports like cross country, tennis, golf etc.

[therock]

You can't go by what some third party website says to get a accurate amount for what any coach at any level is getting paid.  Those numbers don't include what coaches bring in from camps, boosters, fundraising etc all of which play a significant role in coach's salaries.  Some head coaches account for up to 25-30% of their salary from camps.  I know some program pay their assistance a large amount of money out of boosters or camp profit in order to increase the salary given for that position by the school.  None of that is taken into consideration on those websites.   

All I know is that W&L is one of if not the wealthiest school in the ODAC.  As of two years ago they paid their assistance coach somewhere around 20-25k.  At that same time period Hampden-Sydney's assistance was making around 35-40k. I didn't bring up this point in an attempt to bring down W&L only to make the point that the money may have played an effect in Caleb leaving W&L as well as why they tend to go through assistant coaches quicker than the average ODAC basketball school.

And I can assure you that not 1 men's assistant basketball coach (1st assistant that is) in the entire ODAC is making 10k a year.  Those numbers are so skewed from sports like cross country, tennis, golf etc.

That third party website happens to be the US Department of Education and it is illegal to lie on that report as the report concerns Title IX funding.

[ODACHOOPS]

I said nothing about lying.  Schools don't have to report what each sport brings in for camps or what they get in fundraising or from boosters.  It is that money that a lot of schools use to pay coaches in order to let supplement their annual income.  You really think that the average assistant men's basketball coach in the ODAC makes 10,000 a year? Surely you don't.  W&L has money and just chooses to use it in other areas which is fine.  However that may result in them having an assistant coach turnover quite often.

[hasanova]

Just a few points:

W&L is, by far, the wealthiest school in the ODAC.
I'm pretty sure most lead assistant mbb coaches are paid more than the assistants in many other sports.
The data are slightly skewed if it includes all sports (yes, "data are" is correct  lol)
For Caleb, I'm sure he saw an opportunity to "come home" and took it.  I have no doubt that W&L treated him fairly and he would have been a success there as well.

[hasanova]

Nice article on Tyler Sanborn

http://www.examiner.com/x-46759-Charlotte-Sports-Examiner~y2010m6d18-Hope-and-prayer-Sanborn-battles-for-NBA-summer-league-roster-spot

Thanks for posting this, Gordon - I appreciate it. 

[baselinejam]

You can't go by what some third party website says to get a accurate amount for what any coach at any level is getting paid.  Those numbers don't include what coaches bring in from camps, boosters, fundraising etc all of which play a significant role in coach's salaries.  Some head coaches account for up to 25-30% of their salary from camps.  I know some program pay their assistance a large amount of money out of boosters or camp profit in order to increase the salary given for that position by the school.  None of that is taken into consideration on those websites.   

All I know is that W&L is one of if not the wealthiest school in the ODAC.  As of two years ago they paid their assistance coach somewhere around 20-25k.  At that same time period Hampden-Sydney's assistance was making around 35-40k. I didn't bring up this point in an attempt to bring down W&L only to make the point that the money may have played an effect in Caleb leaving W&L as well as why they tend to go through assistant coaches quicker than the average ODAC basketball school.

And I can assure you that not 1 men's assistant basketball coach (1st assistant that is) in the entire ODAC is making 10k a year.  Those numbers are so skewed from sports like cross country, tennis, golf etc.

In my previous posting I said that W&L keeps most assistants for 2 years. The program is run that way. Each new assistant  knows, that unless they elect to leave or screw up,  its a 2 year gig. I'm not endorsing that formula; but that's how they run their hoop program.

[baselinejam]

new asst @ W&L

http://generalssports.com/information/sports_information/generalreleases/beallwebb

[gordonmann]

Schools don't have to report what each sport brings in for camps or what they get in fundraising or from boosters.

They do when it comes to this database.  The revenues captured here include those "from appearance guarantees and options, an athletic conference, tournament or bowl games, concessions, contributions from alumni and others, institutional support, program advertising and sales, radio and television, royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sport camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities."