MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hsctigers2002]

Building on algernon's work:



Poss. = Possible end of season seeding.
Top Wins = highest potential seeded teams they won, in the event a head to head tiebreaker doesn't settle the deal.

[HSCTiger74]

There once was a college so boring
At ballgames no heckling, just snoring.
They hug trees and they yawn.
Frisbee golf on the lawn.
But one-twenty "winz" if you're scoring!

Including this season, Guilford's 120-26 in the last five years with four straight invitations to the NCAA tournament and two trips to the DIII Final Four.  zzzzzz 

Go Quakers! 

I had forgotten about your adroitness at limericks, Hasa. You should check out the Charlotte Observer's limerick contest which will be running through April 1. They usually get some really good ones, and I'm sure you'd be able to show them a thing or two as well.

[hsctigers2002]

In regards to VWC being overrated because of their schedule, the last regional rankings data does indicate that VWC has the lowest In-Region SOS in the ODAC. They have a .494 ratings while EMU has a .499. Everyone else is at a .500 or better level, headlined by Roanoke at .583. This data was through games of February 9.

[Will2Win]

I think I'd have to agree with DeWayneCarter on this one. In my opinion if any of the three teams is overrated i'm gonna go with RMC...although they have stung my runnin' royals both times this year! They have a number of close games they have barely squeeked out (including both games against EMU when the royals were not clicking). I for one came away more impressed with Va Wes than RMC having seen both teams play against the royals this season. I for one surely hope we run into RMC here in few weeks, revenge is oh so sweet....we owe ya 3 now (dating back to last season's tourney semi, mind bogglin' foul call with less than a tick on the clock)  

[DeWayneCarter]

bossman we definitely owe EMU, especially after last night! They've had our number over the past 3 seasons. Haven't beat them since the 2007-2008 season.

[Will2Win]

bossman we definitely owe EMU, especially after last night! They've had our number over the past 3 seasons. Haven't beat them since the 2007-2008 season.

Well I surely hope its not this season if we meet up again!!!   

[oldfish]

I'm not sure how VWC was overrated...and who was doing the "rating"?  They were picked to finish 4th in the conf and it looks like that would be the lowest they can finish.  They were 20-1 leading up to this past week and despite the 16-0 start I don't recall anyone on here saying that the Marlins were world beaters...merely winning ALL their games.  In fact I think most VWC fans expected this to be a down year as some of the new guys gained valuable experience.

And Algernon...Maybe I'm not looking at it correctly but it sure seems like you are trying to prove how overrated the Marlins are by saying that they only went .500 against the other top 3 teams in conf.  However, your support for this is that the yellow jackets went .500 against the same teams???

[hasanova]

Was Ryan Odom at that game with his dad?  Ryan is an HSC basketball alum.  Wonder for whom the Odom's were rooting?

No, Ryan wasn't there.  Ryan's pretty busy with his own coaching career ... I know he was at VPI and now, I think, he's at Charlotte.  Dave's retired from Coaching and lives in Winston-Salem, so he comes to a Guilford game a couple of times a year.  He has several irons in the fire, such as the Maui Invitational, but he also does some PR work for Guilford.  Since Dave and his wife are both Guilford grads and Dave was sitting with his former teammates, I'm pretty sure he was rooting for the Quakers that day!  

[hasanova]

There once was a college so boring
At ballgames no heckling, just snoring.
They hug trees and they yawn.
Frisbee golf on the lawn.
But one-twenty "winz" if you're scoring!

Including this season, Guilford's 120-26 in the last five years with four straight invitations to the NCAA tournament and two trips to the DIII Final Four.  zzzzzz 

Go Quakers! 

I had forgotten about your adroitness at limericks, Hasa. You should check out the Charlotte Observer's limerick contest which will be running through April 1. They usually get some really good ones, and I'm sure you'd be able to show them a thing or two as well.

Thanks - I appreciate that.  I wasn't aware of the newspaper's contest, but I'll check it out.  So, what else rhymes with Nantucket? 

[hasanova]

There once was a cager named Puckett
Whose jersey's so long he could tuck it.
He said with a grin
As he laid the ball in
If The Rock leaves my hand it's a bucket!

Guess that answers that question! 

[algernon]

To clarify, oldfish, I think that VWC was overrated by the d3hoops.com poll.

It is understandable that the Marlins would be rated as high as #3 or #6 in that poll, given that they were 16-0 before they lost one, are playing in one of the toughest conferences in the country, and had a win against the Yellow Jackets.  However, they had not played a terribly rough schedule at the point they were 16-0 (no games against EMU, Guilford, or a Wabash-type out-of-conference opponent), with the win over the Yellow Jackets their only BIG win.  So I don't think that their subsequent loss of three games, once they started playing teams like Guilford and EMU, is at all surprising.  EMU is a team that went to the Elite Eight last year and has brought back everyone, while VWC is a team of younger guys that were only picked to finish #4.  The Royals should have won that game (especially on their own home court), because they probably have the better team.

I think the Marlins' chance of winning the ODAC tournament is almost as good as anyone's, maybe as high as a 20% chance of winning it in Salem.  They will go to the NCAAs even if they don't win the tournament. 

[algernon]

One thing no one in the stands could figure out after the HSC/W&L game last night was what Mike Wilner (#20) was doing when he shoved Sasha Obradovic to the floor after the game was over, as Obradovic was heading back to the Tiger bench.  Wilner had finally got into the game with about 40 seconds left, got an offensive rebound, was fouled by Jack Sumner, and then sunk his 2 shots, a few seconds before the game ended.  His shove of Obradovic seemed to be entirely out-of-the-blue ....  a very strange way for him to end his little bit of time on the floor.

[DeWayneCarter]

One thing no one in the stands could figure out after the HSC/W&L game last night was what Mike Wilner (#20) was doing when he shoved Sasha Obradovic to the floor after the game was over, as Obradovic was heading back to the Tiger bench.  Wilner had finally got into the game with about 40 seconds left, got an offensive rebound, was fouled by Jack Sumner, and then sunk his 2 shots, a few seconds before the game ended.  His shove of Obradovic seemed to be entirely out-of-the-blue ....  a very strange way for him to end his little bit of time on the floor.

Guys must really have it out for HSC players huh 

[Brian Hamilton]

I know Hutchinson spent a little extra time speaking to Obradovic during the postgame handshake.  I assumed he may have been addressing the situation with Obradovic at that point.  I do not want to speculate what he said or anything else.  I do believe that Hutchinson is a good coach and gets a lot out of his players.  He has earned my respect the past few years.

[DeWayneCarter]

Regarding VWC's schedule, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't region wins an important factor in tournament seeding? For example, in 2009 when RMC went 20-6 but didn't make the tournament, wasn't the lack of region wins compared to Guilford a big factor in them not making the tournament, even though they were the #2 seed in the ODAC tournament that year? VWC rarely schedules out of region games during the regular season... look at their schedule and you will see that the only non region games are the ones against Newport News Apprentice and Salisbury. A game against Wabash really wouldn't do much for them in terms of regional ranking, which is what really matters when it comes to seeding for the NCAA tournament. A high regional ranking could mean hosting in the NCAA Tournament, which has proved to be a big advantage. Ask VWC. Since 2007, which was the last time they hosted an NCAA tournament game, they haven't made it past the 2nd round of the tournament.