MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[2RMCFans]

^ Yes, just like R-MC has lost to VWC a number of times by only a point or two.  As donho says, whether by 1 or by 20 a win is a win but it is VERY frustrating in these games that could go either way.  

We just hope the Jackets will settle into the ODAC tournament & be ready for whichever teams they get!  

See you all in Salem!

GO JACKETS!!!!

[78rmc]

Algernon, thanks for the history lesson.  I quite enjoyed it.

But, HSC did claim one close game in Salem in '08.

Jacket fans need to enjoy this season, 'cause it's going to be tough for a couple of years.  Hard to replace this senior class.

[ODACHOOPS]

What a game that was in Ashland yesterday between the Tigers and Yellow Jackets! If Harrison George is not POY then they should revoke all voting privileges from all coaches who didn't vote him as it.  He is a walking double-double and clearly the most dominate player in the ODAC.  Know other player is blanketed like he is and still finds ways to put up ridiculous numbers.  Yesterday in Ashland he was a one man show that was the sole reason HSC stayed in the game early and was able to make a late game push. He is POY and hopefully he will receive that honor next week. 

[algernon]

Algernon, thanks for the history lesson.  I quite enjoyed it.

But, HSC did claim one close game in Salem in '08.

Jacket fans need to enjoy this season, 'cause it's going to be tough for a couple of years.  Hard to replace this senior class.

You're welcome, 78rmc.  Not my pleasure.  

The 4 years previous to those I listed were more pleasant for HSC Fans:

1/4/00 @ HSC - HSC 97, RMC 64
1/19/00 @ RMC - HSC 84, RMC 79

1/10/01 @ RMC - HSC 75, RMC 72
2/10/01 @ HSC - RMC 45, HSC 39
2/18/01 @ Salem (ODAC Semifinal) - HSC 69, RMC 62

1/9/02 @ RMC - RMC 67, HSC 63
2/9/02 @ HSC - RMC 60, HSC 51
2/18/02 @ Salem (ODAC Championship) - HSC 55, RMC 48

1/15/03 @ HSC - HSC 52, RMC 45
2/15/03 @ RMC - RMC 66, HSC 55
2/24/03 @ Salem (ODAC Championship) - RMC 48, HSC 47

At Fleet:  HSC 2, RMC 2
At Crenshaw:  HSC 2, RMC 2
At Salem:  HSC 2, RMC 1
TOTAL:  HSC 6, RMC 5

It was hard to see the guys lose the 2003 ODAC championship game (the only championship game the Tigers didn't win during the Monroe/Randall years), but the pleasure of watching them cut down the nets in Crenshaw after the Oshkosh game 2 weeks later more than made up for it ....  

[algernon]

Emory picked up their 5th loss in a game against Carnegie Mellon today and gave up the UAA championship to Rochester.  Although eligible for Pool C, I expect they'll fall below EMU in the next ranking.  EMU, with their big win over VWC should move up to at least #6 in the South.

Emory will likely lose their 6th game of the season on Saturday when they play Rochester again and such a loss should keep them below EMU, even if the Royals lose to HSC or Macon.or a Pool C bid.

[stillfamily]

What a game that was in Ashland yesterday between the Tigers and Yellow Jackets! If Harrison George is not POY then they should revoke all voting privileges from all coaches who didn't vote him as it.  He is a walking double-double and clearly the most dominate player in the ODAC.  Know other player is blanketed like he is and still finds ways to put up ridiculous numbers.  Yesterday in Ashland he was a one man show that was the sole reason HSC stayed in the game early and was able to make a late game push. He is POY and hopefully he will receive that honor next week. 

Without going into detail about the stats and ppg. I would say Todd Phillips is the POY. He does everything. Todd is not limited to the block, as H.G. is a true post player and doesn't go outside. Todd is inside, outside, transition, 3 pointers, dunks, defense, EVERYTHING! So, my guess is even though H.G. is a great player he will not garner the POY this year, it will go to Todd Phillips.

Also,
Centre lost today. Emory, Centre and Ferrum all lose this weekend. Meanwhile EMU goes 3-0 with a win over VWC. I would hope to see EMU in the regional rankings at 4th!!!!!!!!!! They have wins over both Ferrum and VWC. They have common opponent wins over NCW. I think it is an injustice to give them anything lower than 4th and a good argument for 3rd in the Region!!!!!

[algernon]

Also,
Centre lost today. Emory, Centre and Ferrum all lose this weekend. Meanwhile EMU goes 3-0 with a win over VWC. I would hope to see EMU in the regional rankings at 4th!!!!!!!!!! They have wins over both Ferrum and VWC. They have common opponent wins over NCW. I think it is an injustice to give them anything lower than 4th and a good argument for 3rd in the Region!!!!!

I agree that Centre's loss should push EMU up to at least #6, above Centre and Emory.

Plus, isn't it clear that EMU should be ranked higher than Ferrum and NCWesleyan .... at #4, just behind Texas-Dallas (if not ahead of them at #3)? The Royals have the same number of in-region losses as Ferrum and NCWesleyan and they've beaten Ferrum.  While they haven't beaten NC Wesleyan, their play against common opponents is MUCH better than NC Wesleyan's:

VS Virginia Wesleyan ... NCW lost by 12  ... EMU won by 15
VS Guilford ... NCW lost by 17 ... EMU won by 12, and by 2 in 2OT
VS Hampden-Sydney ... NCW lost by 14 ... EMU won by 16
VS Ferrum ... NCW lost by 6 and won by 3 ... EMU won by 6
VS Shenandoah ... NCW won by 19 and won by 14 ... EMU won by 14
VS Averett ... NCW won by 17 and won by 4 ... EMU won by 8

In games against 6 common opponents, EMU is 7-0 while NCW is 5-4.

In games against 4 QUALITY common opponents (HSC, Guilford, Ferrum, and VWC), EMU is 5-0, while NC Wesleyan is 1-4.

[stillfamily]

Also,
Centre lost today. Emory, Centre and Ferrum all lose this weekend. Meanwhile EMU goes 3-0 with a win over VWC. I would hope to see EMU in the regional rankings at 4th!!!!!!!!!! They have wins over both Ferrum and VWC. They have common opponent wins over NCW. I think it is an injustice to give them anything lower than 4th and a good argument for 3rd in the Region!!!!!

I agree that Centre's loss should push EMU up to at least #6, above Centre and Emory.

Plus, isn't it clear that EMU should be ranked higher than Ferrum and NCWesleyan .... at #4, just behind Texas-Dallas (if not ahead of them at #3)? The Royals have the same number of in-region losses as Ferrum and NCWesleyan and they've beaten Ferrum.  While they haven't beaten NC Wesleyan, their play against common opponents is MUCH better than NC Wesleyan's:

VS Virginia Wesleyan ... NCW lost by 12  ... EMU won by 15
VS Guilford ... NCW lost by 17 ... EMU won by 12, and by 2 in 2OT
VS Hampden-Sydney ... NCW lost by 14 ... EMU won by 16
VS Ferrum ... NCW lost by 6 and won by 3 ... EMU won by 6
VS Shenandoah ... NCW won by 19 and won by 14 ... EMU won by 14
VS Averett ... NCW won by 17 and won by 4 ... EMU won by 8

In games against 6 common opponents, EMU is 7-0 while NCW is 5-4.

In games against 4 QUALITY common opponents (HSC, Guilford, Ferrum, and VWC), EMU is 5-0, while NC Wesleyan is 1-4.

Algernon- Thank you for this breakdown. I wish the voters would look at this information! I truly think it makes sense to put EMU at #3 in the region. This is an awesome breakdown, thank you again.

[hsctigers2002]

Without going into detail about the stats and ppg. I would say Todd Phillips is the POY. He does everything. Todd is not limited to the block, as H.G. is a true post player and doesn't go outside. Todd is inside, outside, transition, 3 pointers, dunks, defense, EVERYTHING! So, my guess is even though H.G. is a great player he will not garner the POY this year, it will go to Todd Phillips.

Apparently, you have never watched Harrison play. Harrison does go outside several occasions each game, occasionally hitting the three ball or outside/midrange J while also penetrating. He did average one made three pointer a game in conference play while shooting 3.3 game in the ODAC games. While he is obviously the best on the best on the low block, he is in no way strictly limited to the post. Of course, when you are as good as he is on the low block, there isn't a whole lot of need to venture outside of the paint the majority of the time - he did shoot 63.4% on two pointers in ODAC games!

However, I do agree with Todd Phillips getting POY, even though I think Harrison is a better player, but sophomores never get it unless they are just far and away better than anyone else, which doesn't happen in this league.

[hsctigers2002]

Continuing along the discussion of POY, here is my projection of what the All-ODAC teams and awards will be. I think the first-team is pretty much a lock at this point, but after that it gets a little hairier - I have only seen any of these players once and some maybe not even that much, so I have to go on nearly pure stats alone.

POY: Todd Phillips - probably a lock as well, but there is some strong competition
ROY: DJ Woodmore - lock
COY: Clay Nunley - from interviews I have heard, this seems like it's going to be a lock as well

First Team:
Harrison George
Todd Phillips
Nate Campbell
Josh Pittman
Colton Hunt
Danny Jones

Second Team:
Melvin Felix
George Johnson
Ru White
Brandon Braxton
Donald Vaughn
Eli Crawford

Honorable Mention:
Terrance Grigg
DJ Woodmore - wouldn't be surprised if he is left off. Freshmen rarely get all-odac, Harrison didn't even get it last year
Rick Maloney
Logan Singleton
JD Ey
Tobi Akinsola

[algernon]

Harrison George was an All-ODAC Honorable Mention last year, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see DJ Woodmore chosen as an Honorable Mention this year.

Seniors will make up at least 50% of the All-ODAC selections.  Last year, 5 of the 6 First Teamers, 3 of the 6 Second Teamers, and 2 of the 6 Honorable Mentions were seniors.

My Picks:

POY: Todd Phillips, SR. (EMU)
ROY: DJ Woodmore (VWC)
COY: Clay Nunley (RAND)

First Team:
Todd Phillips, SR. (EMU) - 1st Team in 09-10
Harrison George, SO. (HSC) - HM in 09-10
Josh Pittman, SO. (GC)
Nate Campbell, JR. (LC)
Colton Hunt, SO. (RAND)
George Johnson, SR. (EMU) - 2nd Team in 09-10

Second Team:
Danny Jones, SR. (RMC)
Melvin Felix, SR. (RC)
Terrance Grigg, SR. (EHC) - HM in 09-10
Ru White, JR. (HSC)
Brandon Braxton, SR. (RMC) - 2nd Team in 09-10
Donald Vaughn, JR. (VWC) - 2nd Team in 09-10

Honorable Mention:
Eric Pugh, SR. (RMC)
Rick Maloney, SR. (BC)
DJ Woodmore, FY. (VWC)
JD Ey, SO. (W&L)
Tobi Akinsola, JR. (GC)
Eli Crawford, SR. (EMU) - HM in 09-10

[DeWayneCarter]

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/va-wesleyan-sees-boom-applications

Just a quick article to clarify the "VWC dropped the SAT requirement" notion

[Jacketlawyer]

Jacket fans need to enjoy this season, 'cause it's going to be tough for a couple of years.  Hard to replace this senior class.

You're right.  Davis has had a great two years so far, but with Mike's recruits.  Hopefully we can just reload.  But we should enjoy our seniors. Right now.

[algernon]

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/va-wesleyan-sees-boom-applications

Just a quick article to clarify the "VWC dropped the SAT requirement" notion

So what I said was correct..technically?...Looks like it.I understand the way that they explain it, but going from 1500 to 4000 applications-WOW!......and you know as well as I do that all schools(high schools) are NOT created equal.A 4.0 at.....well for example the BEST high schools (test score-wise) in the state vs the worst test score district in the state is not exactly equal.Thank you for the clarification DeWayne.I had heard this, and I wasn't pulling this out of my hat.Whether or not its good for VWC remains to be seen-it certainly looks like it will be good for growth!

VWC does not require submission of SAT scores for students whose high school performance strongly suggests that they are capable of college work (i.e. for high school students who achieved a GPA of 3.5 or higher while taking a college preparatory curriculum).  Those students will likely do well at many different colleges.

VWC apparently DOES require SAT scores for students who have not performed at a 3.5 GPA or higher.  It is these lower performing students who are able to get into VWC despite their very low SAT scores.  In fact, 25% of students admitted to VWC have submitted SAT scores that are BELOW 880 (440 Critical Reading, 440 Math).

To put the SAT requirement in perspective, these are the SAT 25th percentiles of admitted students for all the ODAC schools:

• Washington & Lee - 1310
• HSC - 1010; Randolph - 1000; RMC - 980; Roanoke - 980
• Bridgewater - 940; Guilford - 940; EMU - 930
• Emory & Henry - 910; Lynchburg - 900; Virginia Wesleyan - 880

Having (perhaps mistakenly) contributed to the discussion of admissions standards, I think that it is time to move on and talk basketball .... ODAC Tournament .... with the Tuesday evening play-in games, Thursday awards banquet, and 4 quarterfinal games scheduled for Friday afternoon and evening!  If HSC wins tomorrow evening (which I definitely expect), I will be heading west on Friday afternoon, getting to Salem for the evening set of games: RMC v. Roanoke/Bridgewater @ 6pm and EMU v. HSC/E&H @ 8pm.

GO TIGERS!

[BbSpecial]

You have the times reversed algernon. R-MC plays at 6 and EMU plays at 8.