MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[royalrooter]

At this point I don't care where the Royals get sent. I think they will take care of business on the road. Just hope they get to keep dancing.

[DeWayneCarter]

Gotta agree with bossman on this one... alot of people are talking strength of schedule percentage and records against common opponents and all that but when it comes down to it , what's putting EMU below Ferrum are the 3 less in region wins (according to the final regional rankings) that EMU has compared to Ferrum.

[Will2Win]

Gotta agree with bossman on this one... alot of people are talking strength of schedule percentage and records against common opponents and all that but when it comes down to it , what's putting EMU below Ferrum are the 3 less in region wins (according to the final regional rankings) that EMU has compared to Ferrum.

Thanks DeWayne...Worst part about this entire situation is I guarantee EMU is better than 50% of the teams that make up the 61 team field...It's a shame that this in-region team's beaten thing has that much of a bearing on a team's worth...EMU should be in the tourney, especially for the fact that 3 of the 5 losses are to a RMC team that will probly make it back to the final four(or atleast they appear like they're primed to do so)...

[stillfamily]

From an objective point of view it would be hard to argue that EMU is not one of the 61 best teams in the country. That said, were dealing with NCAA formulas and politics is uncertain at best. Pat and crew are usually pretty close on their projections so I'm not too optimistic.

Unfortunately, Kirby had trouble finding D3 teams that wanted to play a top 10 team early in the season. I wonder if EMU would have been better served not playing non-NCAA competition since they don't count in the region. Hopefully SOS will be considered by the committee.

All we had to do was make a few phone calls to the not as competitive USAS schools (A.K.A.....CNU, NC WES, Greensboro, etc) and not scheduled NCCAA Lancaster Bible, out of region Penn-State Beaver and Penn State-Brandywine or NAIA South Virginia. But EMU is too worried about keeping their PA and religious school ties as many Mennonites are from PA ....Its a shame. Bet EMU's AD Dave King re-evaluates his thinking process in future scheduling and you better bet Coach Kirby Dean wont let it happen again...

Bossman, your a little off with this. EMU's Kirby Dean called over 70 schools to try and schedule them. They all would not play us! Religious ties have nothing to do with us playing Penn State-Brandywine or the team BC had in their tournament. We did play Lancaster Bible and they are D-III, but it doesn't go into affect until next year.  The impression was that they would be considerred D-III this year. If EMU could have gotten a DIII out of the C-USA or any other close school they would have. NOBODY WOULD PLAY THEM!

Well I guess I may be a bit mis-guided here as this is only what i've been told. Not direct knowledge that I know for a fact and I probably should have stated that before making such a post. My only question is, if no one wanting to play us really is the reason we keep playing Non region opponents how can RMC and VA Wess seem to have little trouble finding region teams to play as their programs are more relavant than ours...They've been the top programs in the ODAC for quite some time. I dont see how our storybook season from last year could "scare" that many coaches away from wanting to play us. I understand we had all 5 starters returning from an elite 8 team, but same can be said of Randy Mac's 7 returning Sr's that led them to the final 4 and the brink of playing for a National Title....thats all I'm saying. I not buying the "no one in the entire south wanted to play us"....You'd think there would be atleast a team or two out there looking to knockoff a highly ranked team especially early in the season when a lesser team could catch an EMU out of sync early on....
I know if I were a coach with a decent team i'd atleast wanna give it a shot....it can only be a positive for a university (if ya lose to EMU early then hell you lost to the #3 preseason team in the land, ya knock em off....hmmmm, talk about putting your team on the early radar...)

Yes, but, schedules are made a yr ahead. Once EMU knew it needed the games to be in region because of a scenario like this it was to late. EMU was never in the national spotlight or the national tournament before, so I'm guessing this was overlooked initially!. Nobody wanted to add us to their schedule or they were filled. I know tihs first hand.

[DeWayneCarter]

The same thing happened to RMC a couple of years ago..... The whole ODAC tournament got flipped upside down when 7th seeded VWC and 8th seeded W&L met in the ODAC championship game. Guilford had been the #1 seed going into the tournament, and RMC ended the season 20-6, but only had like 14 or 15 region wins, while Guilford had more and I think another South Region team had more also, which is what did RMC's tourney hopes in that season. Two tourney bids were handed out to VWC, the tourney winner, and Guilford, the ODAC regular season champion.

[stillfamily]

Gotta agree with bossman on this one... alot of people are talking strength of schedule percentage and records against common opponents and all that but when it comes down to it , what's putting EMU below Ferrum are the 3 less in region wins (according to the final regional rankings) that EMU has compared to Ferrum.

I haven't seen the final regional rankings, are they out yet? I thought they were coming out at 12 today, but haven't seen them yet.

[DeWayneCarter]

Link to the selection show starting at 1

http://www.ncaa.com/live/2011-02-28/diii-mens-basketball-selection-show-0

[Will2Win]

From an objective point of view it would be hard to argue that EMU is not one of the 61 best teams in the country. That said, were dealing with NCAA formulas and politics is uncertain at best. Pat and crew are usually pretty close on their projections so I'm not too optimistic.

Unfortunately, Kirby had trouble finding D3 teams that wanted to play a top 10 team early in the season. I wonder if EMU would have been better served not playing non-NCAA competition since they don't count in the region. Hopefully SOS will be considered by the committee.

All we had to do was make a few phone calls to the not as competitive USAS schools (A.K.A.....CNU, NC WES, Greensboro, etc) and not scheduled NCCAA Lancaster Bible, out of region Penn-State Beaver and Penn State-Brandywine or NAIA South Virginia. But EMU is too worried about keeping their PA and religious school ties as many Mennonites are from PA ....Its a shame. Bet EMU's AD Dave King re-evaluates his thinking process in future scheduling and you better bet Coach Kirby Dean wont let it happen again...

Bossman, your a little off with this. EMU's Kirby Dean called over 70 schools to try and schedule them. They all would not play us! Religious ties have nothing to do with us playing Penn State-Brandywine or the team BC had in their tournament. We did play Lancaster Bible and they are D-III, but it doesn't go into affect until next year.  The impression was that they would be considerred D-III this year. If EMU could have gotten a DIII out of the C-USA or any other close school they would have. NOBODY WOULD PLAY THEM!

Well I guess I may be a bit mis-guided here as this is only what i've been told. Not direct knowledge that I know for a fact and I probably should have stated that before making such a post. My only question is, if no one wanting to play us really is the reason we keep playing Non region opponents how can RMC and VA Wess seem to have little trouble finding region teams to play as their programs are more relavant than ours...They've been the top programs in the ODAC for quite some time. I dont see how our storybook season from last year could "scare" that many coaches away from wanting to play us. I understand we had all 5 starters returning from an elite 8 team, but same can be said of Randy Mac's 7 returning Sr's that led them to the final 4 and the brink of playing for a National Title....thats all I'm saying. I not buying the "no one in the entire south wanted to play us"....You'd think there would be atleast a team or two out there looking to knockoff a highly ranked team especially early in the season when a lesser team could catch an EMU out of sync early on....
I know if I were a coach with a decent team i'd atleast wanna give it a shot....it can only be a positive for a university (if ya lose to EMU early then hell you lost to the #3 preseason team in the land, ya knock em off....hmmmm, talk about putting your team on the early radar...)

Yes, but, schedules are made a yr ahead. Once EMU knew it needed the games to be in region because of a scenario like this it was to late. EMU was never in the national spotlight or the national tournament before, so I'm guessing this was overlooked initially!. Nobody wanted to add us to their schedule or they were filled. I know tihs first hand.

Simply sounds like an unfortunate event then...Wish EMU would have done a lil more homework on how much the regional rankings and in region games mean! :/
But who knows....we still may be dancing, find out soon

[hsctigers2002]

VWC hosts first round vs. Delaware Valley first round, them F&M vs. NC Wesleyan.

Macon does not host. St. Mary's host Medgar Evers and then Macon vs. Alvernia.

I did not see EMU in the bracket.

FYI - it's not a live show. It's a recorded show and you can skip ahead if you want.

[78rmc]

VWC hosts first round vs. Delaware Valley first round, them F&M vs. NC Wesleyan.

Macon does not host. St. Mary's host Medgar Evers and then Macon vs. Alvernia.

I did not see EMU in the bracket.

FYI - it's not a live show. It's a recorded show and you can skip ahead if you want.

Macon not hosting could be that the Women are hosting, we'll know at 3 PM.

[rmc1982]

WE GOT SCREWED!! St Mary's Hosting US-REALLY??? It better be because our women are hosting, otherwise it is an OUTRIGHT INJUSTICE!! Oh well...........just another reason to make us play harder!!GO JACKETS!

[Will2Win]

Not too sure how EMU can be left out and Ill Wesleyan gets in....No justifiable reason in my eyes, if i'm seeing correctly Ill Wes wasnt even ranked in the latest regional rankings but I guess making it to your conf tourney championship game and losing in the semis will do it... 

[stillfamily]

RMC got screwed, VWC is hosting and EMU is at home....... WOW how do they do it? Good luck to the ODAC, and great season for EMU. EMU is 47-10 in the last two seasons, that is nothing to be upset about.

[rmc1982]

RMC got screwed, VWC is hosting and EMU is at home....... WOW how do they do it? Good luck to the ODAC, and great season for EMU. EMU is 47-10 in the last two seasons, that is nothing to be upset about.

For the record alot of the rest of us think the EMU's got hosed too!! This NCAA selection committee needs it's collective head examined!!

[DeWayneCarter]

Wow... after all the speculation I am still shocked that EMU didn't get in. I thought that they'd fit in somewhere