MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Michael Herbert]

Observations: Va Wes and Hsc are the 2 best in ODAC. No doubt about it. Seeds 3-6 are capable of beating both. It all comes down to how teams match up and perform game time.

Colton Hunt is a very good player. Gets more calls in his favor than deserved for he is great at creating space with his subtle push offs.

Harrison George a very good player as well. He could have averaged 21 and 10 with 28 mins each game.

A very concerning factor with the student's section of hsc though after last night's loss, did they actually come onto the floor after buzzer and mutual middle finger gestures wanting to fight? And this after the embarrassing event with the presidential election? Parents may think twice now before sending their sons there.

And tigersfanalso...stick to football....stop compalining of officiating....it's odac officials...they try to do their best. Contact me next year and I'll see if I can get you a ticket to the RMC-Hsc game in Crenshaw.

It was the Virginia Wesleyan players' taunting that caused the heated confrontation after the game.  It was the same taunting that they did during the game that should have gotten them a technical...the whole flaunting of the jersey action.  That didn't settle well with the Tigers players and the emotion the poured over to the students.  I can't blame them for loving their team and being close with the players.  The event from November is irrelevant and for you to bring it up is totally uncalled for.  The VaWes players ended the game in a classless fashion and I can see any school's student section reacting to that crap in a very similar way.  Hell, you know you're dealing with a classless bunch of people when they're yelling out "penis" when the H-SC players are getting ready to shoot their free throws.  It's a men's college...grow up.

[algernon]

Immediately after the game ended, D.J. Woodmore came over to the end of the court where I was sitting, where there were mostly older people (including a former Prince Edward County Sheriff), as well as a smaller number of high school and college students.  He was yelling at the fans and actually threw up both arms and gave two middle fingers to the crowd.  I could hardly believe it.  I have never seen anything like it in the ODAC, even from Marlins players.

[DeWayneCarter]

Even still, there is no excuse for the entire student section to be on the court. Especially if the only action was popping their jerseys.

[FISHTANKFAN]

 I sincerely doubt that the Marlins were entirely to blame for the short tempers after the game, and that the Tiger fans and players were blameless. Why would police escorts be needed for the Marlin fans and players to get their buses?  Why did the Marlins need a police escort 2 years ago after the game at HSC? We don't know exactly what happened and everyone will see these incidents through a different pair of eyes and form judgements from a second or minutes worth of viewing, not knowing what precipitated the cause.  Because NO ONE knows what started the incidents, its easy to blame the "other team" and start false and inaccurate rumors and statements.  No one will ever agree.  I suggest we let the administrators of the schools handle the problem to insure that the players and fans are safe and not in harm's way.  I could make some very inflammatory statements myself about what was told to me by people at the game, but I prefer to be silent until this is all sorted out.

[2RMCFans]

There is a poll on the front page here regarding which conference is the toughest for "going unbeaten" in the regular season.  The ODAC is a choice, but currently we're not even close to winning it.  Even without knowing everything about all those other conferences, surely we can all give the ODAC a vote in the poll. 

When was the last time an ODAC team went unbeaten; we honestly can't remember the Jackets doing it?

GO JACKETS!!!! 

[algernon]

There is a poll on the front page here regarding which conference is the toughest for "going unbeaten" in the regular season.  The ODAC is a choice, but currently we're not even close to winning it.  Even without knowing everything about all those other conferences, surely we can all give the ODAC a vote in the poll. 

When was the last time an ODAC team went unbeaten; we honestly can't remember the Jackets doing it?

GO JACKETS!!!!

Good idea.  I'll cast a vote for the ODAC.  The last time I'm aware of was 2000, when the Grimes/Fox/Harris/Jirak Tigers did it (18-0 conference, 24-0 overall).  That's 13 years, unless the Marlins did it in 2006 or 2007.

[tigerfanalso]

yJ425

Not complaining about the officials, making an observation.

I had a ticket for the RMC game but thanks for the offer to help get me one.

[algernon]

I've just looked at the ODAC archives.  The 2000 Tiger team is the only one to finish undefeated in-conference over the past 21 years.  There have been three or four 1-loss teams, but there have also been at least 2 years during the past 21 when the #1 seed in the ODAC tournament had only a 13-5 record.

I wonder how that compares to the WIAC, UAA, NESCAC, and CCIW. 

It is nice to see the ODAC now included on a regular basis in discussions of the strongest 5 conferences in the country!  The ODAC started to get some attention in 2003, when the Tigers made it to the Final Four for the second time in 5 years, received more respect when the Marlins were in the National Championship game two consecutive years (2006-2007), and the ODAC really began to be recognized as one of the strongest five conferences across the country in 2010, when 3 ODAC teams were among the Elite Eight, with both Guilford and Randolph-Macon going to Salem for the Final Four.

[y_jack_lok]

Been reading the comments about the VWC/H-SC game and the behavior of players of both teams. Over the years player behavior seems to have been an issue commented about on this board periodically, particularly in regard to VWC players. Since I live in the Midwest I don't get to games, so I only know what I read and can garner from the occasional game I watch online (which is no substitute from being in a gym). I also read a lot about what a great coach Dave Macedo is.

One important aspect of coaching is how the coach helps to form the character of his players. From what I read, I have to wonder how good a job Macedo is doing with that. I would appreciate it if someone who knows more than I do could comment on that. I'm not trying to cast aspersions at Macedo. He could be as disappointed as anyone about the behavior that has been described here and be taking actions to discipline players because of it.

[DeWayneCarter]

Been reading the comments about the VWC/H-SC game and the behavior of players of both teams. Over the years player behavior seems to have been an issue commented about on this board periodically, particularly in regard to VWC players. Since I live in the Midwest I don't get to games, so I only know what I read and can garner from the occasional game I watch online (which is no substitute from being in a gym). I also read a lot about what a great coach Dave Macedo is.

One important aspect of coaching is how the coach helps to form the character of his players. From what I read, I have to wonder how good a job Macedo is doing with that. I would appreciate it if someone who knows more than I do could comment on that. I'm not trying to cast aspersions at Macedo. He could be as disappointed as anyone about the behavior that has been described here and be taking actions to discipline players because of it.

He does a great job molding the character of his players. I know him personally and know every single one of those players, and was AT the game Wednesday, which is how I know for a fact that VWC's players weren't completely to blame for Hampden Sydney's student section coming onto the court after a loss trying to fight. This is also why I find it hard to believe that DJ Woodmore would flick birds at HSC fans where everyone can see him, since I know for a fact that he isn't one to do that. In FACT, what I DID see was a former HSC coach in the face of a Marlin player as if HE was trying to fight in the middle of the fray, then after the game calling VWC classless. These incidents don't happen to VWC anywhere else but Hampden Sydney, the same school where a riot almost happened after the presidential election this past November. VWC doesn't have these problems at W&L, Randolph-Macon, Guilford, E&H, or any other school in the ODAC but HSC. So if we're going to call into question the character of the VWC players and the molding of said character, maybe we should also call into question the character of Hampden Sydney fans, and the people at that school responsible for molding theirs.

[jdubyadubya]

Really? Of all the schools in the ODAC you would think that Hampden - Sydney College and Virginia Wesleyan College would conduct themselves with utmost dignity

[y_jack_lok]

Thanks DeWayneCarter.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I've just looked at the ODAC archives.  The 2000 Tiger team is the only one to finish undefeated in-conference over the past 21 years.  There have been three or four 1-loss teams, but there have also been at least 2 years during the past 21 when the #1 seed in the ODAC tournament had only a 13-5 record.

I wonder how that compares to the WIAC, UAA, NESCAC, and CCIW. 

It is nice to see the ODAC now included on a regular basis in discussions of the strongest 5 conferences in the country!  The ODAC started to get some attention in 2003, when the Tigers made it to the Final Four for the second time in 5 years, received more respect when the Marlins were in the National Championship game two consecutive years (2006-2007), and the ODAC really began to be recognized as one of the strongest five conferences across the country in 2010, when 3 ODAC teams were among the Elite Eight, with both Guilford and Randolph-Macon going to Salem for the Final Four.

I haven't checked the other 'usual suspects', but it has been FORTY years (1973) since a team last went unscathed through the CCIW!

I've been advocating the ODAC as one of the 'elite' conferences for a number of years now, but generally speaking, over many years, the top two by a healthy margin are the WIAC and CCIW (IMO).

[Seatfiller]

Been reading the comments about the VWC/H-SC game and the behavior of players of both teams. Over the years player behavior seems to have been an issue commented about on this board periodically, particularly in regard to VWC players. Since I live in the Midwest I don't get to games, so I only know what I read and can garner from the occasional game I watch online (which is no substitute from being in a gym). I also read a lot about what a great coach Dave Macedo is.

One important aspect of coaching is how the coach helps to form the character of his players. From what I read, I have to wonder how good a job Macedo is doing with that. I would appreciate it if someone who knows more than I do could comment on that. I'm not trying to cast aspersions at Macedo. He could be as disappointed as anyone about the behavior that has been described here and be taking actions to discipline players because of it.

He does a great job molding the character of his players. I know him personally and know every single one of those players, and was AT the game Wednesday, which is how I know for a fact that VWC's players weren't completely to blame for Hampden Sydney's student section coming onto the court after a loss trying to fight. This is also why I find it hard to believe that DJ Woodmore would flick birds at HSC fans where everyone can see him, since I know for a fact that he isn't one to do that. In FACT, what I DID see was a former HSC coach in the face of a Marlin player as if HE was trying to fight in the middle of the fray, then after the game calling VWC classless. These incidents don't happen to VWC anywhere else but Hampden Sydney, the same school where a riot almost happened after the presidential election this past November. VWC doesn't have these problems at W&L, Randolph-Macon, Guilford, E&H, or any other school in the ODAC but HSC. So if we're going to call into question the character of the VWC players and the molding of said character, maybe we should also call into question the character of Hampden Sydney fans, and the people at that school responsible for molding theirs.

I played against VWC many times and honestly I haven't had a problem with them sure they talk a ton of trash but so does half of the teams I played, but I can tell you that I hated playing at HSC I felt like I was in the 1950s when I was there

[jdubyadubya]

Dave Macedo is the BEST. I've known him since he started coaching at VWC. He's a molder of young men that not only includes athletic skill but most of all life skills.