MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

WHAT ARE YOU CONFUSED ABOUT I made a statement about what our AD and some others involved in athletics told a bunch of us at a pregame reception who were asking how we could be ranked #2 Nationally and still be #2 in our region d-mac....and why does that make you laugh?? I wasn't in any way referring to  this board or anything connected with it as who chooses anything- it was simply an analogy from our people about what really matters in the selection process and how people can get caught up in rankings not supplied by the NCAA. They were also referring to the Massey ratings, which have us #1 and have for a while now. If what I said offended you I'm sorry- I was simply repeating what was told to us- that the ONLY thing that counts(for tournament seedings/hosting) is what the NCAA says- not what anyone else says. I certainly wasn't making a jab at this board or you personally.

What makes me laugh is their AD and I are good friends ... we talk pretty often. If he's laughing at what I'm saying on D3hoops or Hoopsville, he usually texts me to share that laugh. He is also a former committee chair and understands how this all works.

Massey might have you #1, but understand that Massey basically means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Less than what our Top 25 means, in my opinion.

As described, you are looking at three different metrics, computer data (Massey), knowledgeable D3 voters around the country (25 at D3hoops), and NCAA criteria voted on and approved by DIII for it's use (which is very stringent, Regional Rankings). There are ALWAYS going to be differences in those. None of those three will lineup because they aren't designed to lineup.

Just FYI - when I read, "it matters not what D3hoops has to say" I take it usually that we are full of hot air. If you are indicating that the poll does not matter, then I am in agreement and will be the first second (Pat would be first) to tell anyone that our poll doesn't dictate the NCAA tournament (nor does ANY poll dictate ANY tournament at ANY level in the NCAA). But "d3hoops" without any other context made me think you were indicating the likes of Pat, Gordon, Ryan, and myself don't know what we are talking about. That's how I read it ...

[hasanova]

A five-way tie for fourth at 9-7 is a possibility now.

RMC at Guilford (9-6)
W&L at Ferrum (9-6)
Lynchburg is done (9-7)
Randolph at Roanoke (9-6)
BC at H-SC (8-6)

RMC, W&L, Roanoke, and H-SC should win their games, but wouldn't surprise me if upsets happen, though it's hard to see Guilford and Randolph winning. So that would leave Roanoke fourth at 10-6 and the others all at 9-7.

So in a four-way tie, head-to-head results amongst the tied teams would have Ferrum winning at 3-2 for #5. Guilford finishes last at 2-3 for #8. Lynchburg and Hampden-Sydney are tied at 2-2, and Lynchburg won against H-SC so I believe that would make LC the #6 and H-SC the #7.

Actually, HSC is now 8-7.  Lynchburg is done at 9-7 and everyone else has played 15.

RMC is a fine team, but GC will also be super motivated on Senior Day in Ragan-Brown Fieldhouse.  There is a lot on the line for both teams!

[rmc1982]

WHAT ARE YOU CONFUSED ABOUT I made a statement about what our AD and some others involved in athletics told a bunch of us at a pregame reception who were asking how we could be ranked #2 Nationally and still be #2 in our region d-mac....and why does that make you laugh?? I wasn't in any way referring to  this board or anything connected with it as who chooses anything- it was simply an analogy from our people about what really matters in the selection process and how people can get caught up in rankings not supplied by the NCAA. They were also referring to the Massey ratings, which have us #1 and have for a while now. If what I said offended you I'm sorry- I was simply repeating what was told to us- that the ONLY thing that counts(for tournament seedings/hosting) is what the NCAA says- not what anyone else says. I certainly wasn't making a jab at this board or you personally.
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What makes me laugh is their AD and I are good friends ... we talk pretty often. If he's laughing at what I'm saying on D3hoops or Hoopsville, he usually texts me to share that laugh. He is also a former committee chair and understands how this all works.

Massey might have you #1, but understand that Massey basically means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Less than what our Top 25 means, in my opinion.

As described, you are looking at three different metrics, computer data (Massey), knowledgeable D3 voters around the country (25 at D3hoops), and NCAA criteria voted on and approved by DIII for it's use (which is very stringent, Regional Rankings). There are ALWAYS going to be differences in those. None of those three will lineup because they aren't designed to lineup.

Just FYI - when I read, "it matters not what D3hoops has to say" I take it usually that we are full of hot air. If you are indicating that the poll does not matter, then I am in agreement and will be the first second (Pat would be first) to tell anyone that our poll doesn't dictate the NCAA tournament (nor does ANY poll dictate ANY tournament at ANY level in the NCAA). But "d3hoops" without any other context made me think you were indicating the likes of Pat, Gordon, Ryan, and myself don't know what we are talking about. That's how I read it ...

] Well...you were wrong.. and just as an FYI to you..I've known OUR AD a whole lot longer than you have...Both he AND his wife were at RMC when I was....  And as Alumni  we're well aware of all the committees, boards, and accolades he has received and we're PROUD of all he's accomplished, just as we are with all of our Athletic staff! #1 - I never said Massey was that important....only that our SID reports that we're ranked #1 I never said it carried any weight whatsoever.....    #2- I thought I made it very clear that I appreciate all that you guys do here at D3 Hoops , just that when we asked OUR AD and others on our athletic staff about the poll they told us in the eyes of the NCAA that it was basically useless. See below

I really appreciate, and expect everyone who posts here does as well, all the effort of those who do the hard work to keep this website going. I am grateful for those who post here and other places on these board. I am in awe of the people who do so much research to keep us informed about everything going on in D3 basketball including those who vote on the Top 25.

I think there are many R-MC supporters who only read the articles from the college's sports information department and see that the Jackets are ranked #1 overall by Massey, #2 nationally by D3hoops, and #2 regionally by the NCAA. These folks do not understand that these are separate sources with different ranking systems and methodologies. So it makes sense to me that some of those folks would have asked the Randolph-Macon athletics department why the apparent disparity in the rankings. From what rmc1982 posted it sounds to me like they received a proper explanation. Hopefully they understood that explanation.

Thank you Brother Y_jack_lok, for that analogy. It IS indeed confusing to some people, including me sometimes, and thanks to the dedicated people who run this board and this website for giving us insight we otherwise would not have. The group of us last night asking-most of them DO only see what we get from our SID or what they see in the newspaper....and the newspaper always quotes D3HOOPS. So to the ordinary fan it is confusing .I certainly wasn't trying to belittle anything that's done here- This board and website is the most comprehensive look at DIII sports regionally and nationally in the entire country and you all do a tremendous job keeping us informed! THANK YOU! If any of my comments sounded otherwise I apologize.

So why are you blasting me? I think you tend to get a little testy whenever someone disagrees with you Dave. Just because I , or anyone else on this board, disagree with you is no reason for you to talk down to any of us. You may know a little more about the "big Picture" of D3 sports than the rest of us, but you have no right or reason to be so condescending about it..... Lighten up, Dude

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

People disagree with me ALL the time. I don't get testy whenever that happens. But good theory.

I'm not being condescending either, but you wrote a comment about "it matters not what D3hoops has to say" with NO reference to the Top 25 made me feel, as I described, you were taking a shot at us. I didn't appreciate that. I'm sorry if you don't like me making a comment back, but I'm allowed to do so. If you had referenced the Top 25 directly, I would have probably agreed to some extent, but as I mentioned I didn't realize you were talking about the Top 25 until after the fact.

I think I explained that ...

And it doesn't matter if you have known their AD longer, my only point was I feel if he had a problem with me or what I say ... I know for a fact he would contact me. In fact, that is how we became such good friends.

Please don't tell me to "lighten up." I am pretty low key about this. Just because I respond with a defense doesn't mean I am otherwise.

[thescottharris]

Undefeated ODAC season for R-MC ends at Guilford

Bridgewater upsets H-SC as virtually every single Tiger struggled to defend their man one on one with them getting beat on dribble penetration on a regular basis, leading to layups aplenty and numerous wide-open kick out three pointers. Particularly bad defensive second half, absolutely zero resistance. Eagles are a very turnover happy team, only had six for the entire game with just one in the second half.

[rmc1982]

Congrats to Hasa's Quakers on a big win over the Jackets! They beat us, plain and simple....

[y_jack_lok]

Congrats to Hasa's Quakers on a big win over the Jackets! They beat us, plain and simple....

Ditto that.

I was not willing to pay for the high quality broadcast so things were a bit fuzzy. Also, I was back and forth between two games, which is not conducive to getting a sense of the flow of things in either game. And I had no sound for the GC/R-MC game, though I did for the other game. I sent an e-mail to the address provided in the GC broadcast info. Perhaps it got received and seen at some point as sound came on with about two minutes left.

Technical issues aside, I think today we saw the Quaker team that was picked as pre-season #1 in the conference. When I was watching they contained Buzz Anthony and seemed to have the Jackets off balance on both ends of the floor. As a result, when R-MC got decent shots the anxiety of possibly missing may have caused them to miss more open looks than usual. It was unfamiliar territory for the Jackets to be down 15 with under six minutes to play. Important experience for the ODAC and NCAA tournaments. Hopefully they will respond better if that situation arises again.

Congrats, once again, to Guilford.

[hasanova]

Congrats to Hasa's Quakers on a big win over the Jackets! They beat us, plain and simple....

Thanks, RMC1982.  Quakers were up for today's game ... and are certainly happy to get the win.   This was a really good contest and a playoff atmosphere ... a sizable number of RMC fans were in the house today also.

I am thinking this moves GC to fourth because we have a tie-breaker over Roanoke.  A moot point, really, since 4/5 will meet next Friday on a neutral court.

[hasanova]

Congrats to Hasa's Quakers on a big win over the Jackets! They beat us, plain and simple....

Ditto that.

I was not willing to pay for the high quality broadcast so things were a bit fuzzy. Also, I was back and forth between two games, which is not conducive to getting a sense of the flow of things in either game. And I had no sound for the GC/R-MC game, though I did for the other game. I sent an e-mail to the address provided in the GC broadcast info. Perhaps it got received and seen at some point as sound came on with about two minutes left.

Technical issues aside, I think today we saw the Quaker team that was picked as pre-season #1 in the conference. When I was watching they contained Buzz Anthony and seemed to have the Jackets off balance on both ends of the floor. As a result, when R-MC got decent shots the anxiety of possibly missing may have caused them to miss more open looks than usual. It was unfamiliar territory for the Jackets to be down 15 with under six minutes to play. Important experience for the ODAC and NCAA tournaments. Hopefully they will respond better if that situation arises again.

Congrats, once again, to Guilford.

Thanks.  I agree that GC's defense was key today.  Sorry about the sound quality.  Not my area, but I know who to speak with to try to improve it.

[hasanova]

With both teams at 9-7 and 1-1 head-to-head, what is the next tie-breaker between Ferrum and Lynchburg?  With the two teams tied for 6th/7th, the loser will have to play another game on Tuesday the 25th.  Guilford and Roanoke are tied at 10-6, but GC gets 4th because of their lone head-to-head win.  When 4 plays 5 on a neutral court, however, it will be a wash.

[y_jack_lok]

Details of tournament here, including how ties were broken: https://odaconline.com/tournament/basketball/2020tournament/022220-mbb-field

[hasanova]

Details of tournament here, including how ties were broken: https://odaconline.com/tournament/basketball/2020tournament/022220-mbb-field

Yeah, I just checked.  LC got 6th, so on Tuesday:

10 E&H at 7 FC
9 BC at 8 HSC

[y_jack_lok]

Congratulations to R-MC on an outstanding regular season -- 23-2, 15-1. Whatever happens in the post-season, you should be proud of what you've accomplished.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is just one week left in the regular season and with it comes conference chaos.

Some conference tournaments are already underway and have seen upsets. It will be the theme of the week. With conference tournaments come upsets. Those upsets will cause teams on the NCAA tournament bubble to have their hopes burst. And there will be some Cinderellas who will capture the headlines.

Could it be any more fun?

Sunday on Hoopsville (starting at a special earlier time) we chat with a few programs who are either looking to avoid the conference chaos or be a part of it.

Plus, there is changes coming to the way we look at the current regional structure. How the process started and flowed for the last 18 or more months. And what you can expect it all to look in the future.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Devaney, Sr., NJCU women's coach
- Brad Bankston, ODAC Commissioner
- Josh Merkel, No. 2 Randolph-Macon men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Jeff Gard, No. 7 UW Platteville men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take 

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[y_jack_lok]

I just listened to the archived Hoopsville interview with R-MC coach Josh Merkle. Some really interesting thoughts in there not specifically related to Randolph-Macon. Great questions from Dave and interesting insights from Coach Merkle. https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/feb23