MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[steelyglen]

VWC   80  EMU 72
E&H   104 GC   95
RMC   77   BC   65
HSC   68   RC   64

Ladyeagle I love the Eagles as much as any BC fan...but there are 'pies and RC's on the line here...that's right it's the big time and time to put away your heart and go with your head!

Justafan02....YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!

Still haven't heard from everyone...still time..call this the 4 minute TV timeout!

BTW justafan02...you are "bye'd" to the next round...enjoy the "win" it will be your last... ...my history in this event is outstan.....grea....pretty goo...well never mind...I have participated each year since its inception...

[justafan02]

Well, since I am past the first round of the tournament I will probably still get an NCAA bid because of my regular season victory.  I mean we have a pretty tough guru conference, one of the tops in the country.  I believe, even if someone happens to upset me in round two, I have a great shot of getting a home game or two in the NCAA's and maybe even a bye.(too bad there is no such thing).

[hasanova]

Well, since I am past the first round of the tournament I will probably still get an NCAA bid because of my regular season victory.  I mean we have a pretty tough guru conference, one of the tops in the country.  I believe, even if someone happens to upset me in round two, I have a great shot of getting a home game or two in the NCAA's and maybe even a bye.(too bad there is no such thing).

In reality, our board does make a fair "bye" allowance for a top performing guru that falters in the tournament.  Sadly, however, it's actually called "good-bye."   

[algernon]

Are they guards?

Good question.  All three of these guys are listed as guards, as are 14 of Emory and Henry's 21 players.

A bunch of E&H guards are getting 3-4 rebounds a game, despite playing the same kind of minutes (12-14/game) as Landreth, Weinz, & Hudson, so it looks to me like E&H's system includes guards who throw up most of the 3's (at a 27%-29% hit rate) and guards that are more likely to go after the rebounds.

It's hard to know what to make of Emory & Henry stats, since the system is so different from what the rest of the league is playing.  Of the 3, it seems that Landreth would be the most likely to get consideration.

I wonder when the ODAC last had an FOY who got less than 15 min/ game of playing time.

[algernon]

Ladyeagle I love the Eagles as much as any BC fan...but there are 'pies and RC's on the line here...that's right it's the big time and time to put away your heart and go with your head!

Jim ... Steelyglen's got it right.  Remember that there are moonpies and RC's on the line here!  I think that there is still time to put away your heart and go with your head.  You can still pick who you know is going to win this big rivalry game between the Tigers and Maroons .... before it's too late! 

Steelyglen ... I just realized that I can send you my semifinal picks from Salem by e-mail via my cell phone.  Oh, the advantages of technologies that I'm still just learning to appreciate!  If it's OK, I'd like to retract my semifinal picks until after the quarterfinals are done.  My pick of E&H to beat Guilford may turn out wrong, and I may need to choose between the Marlins and the Quakers in the semifinals, rather than between the Marlins and the Wasps.

[ladyeagle]

steelyglen-
  i don't need any pies or RC...i try to eat healthy and I don't drink soda unless it is mixed with something.     I'm just having a little fun...and I'll always pick BC...in hopes that they'll win and i can laugh at the rest of you on the bored that got the pick wrong.  Besides...if they meet RMC the way they did on tuesday but can figure out how they can keep up their tempo and not lose it in the second half, the game will be a lot closer than all of you are picking...

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Excellent article on Emory & Henry's Bob Johnson in Harrisonburg's Daily News-Record;

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=3047&CHID=3

[mybleedinghands]

Excellent article on Emory & Henry's Bob Johnson in Harrisonburg's Daily News-Record;

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=3047&CHID=3

not sure i would call it exciting. more like ugly. i just dont see how shooting 35% overall can be exciting. also dont see how jacking up any shot you can get is exciting either. an exciting basketball ame for me doesnt involve a team taking well over 50 three pointers a game and not even making 20. maybe if they scored 100 a game playing a more traditional type of offense where they executed proficiently on offense would make it exciting.

[baselinejam]

Are they guards?

Good question.  All three of these guys are listed as guards, as are 14 of Emory and Henry's 21 players.

A bunch of E&H guards are getting 3-4 rebounds a game, despite playing the same kind of minutes (12-14/game) as Landreth, Weinz, & Hudson, so it looks to me like E&H's system includes guards who throw up most of the 3's (at a 27%-29% hit rate) and guards that are more likely to go after the rebounds.

It's hard to know what to make of Emory & Henry stats, since the system is so different from what the rest of the league is playing.  Of the 3, it seems that Landreth would be the most likely to get consideration.

I wonder when the ODAC last had an FOY who got less than 15 min/ game of playing time.

Guards will get a lot of long boards in a "3happy" offense. Those #'s are skewed like the rest of E&H's #'s. Not a criticism; just that a non-traditional game plan yields untraditional #'s; making comparisons to traditional programs (non-Grinnell) difficult.

[baselinejam]

Excellent article on Emory & Henry's Bob Johnson in Harrisonburg's Daily News-Record;

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=3047&CHID=3

not sure i would call it exciting. more like ugly. i just dont see how shooting 35% overall can be exciting. also dont see how jacking up any shot you can get is exciting either. an exciting basketball ame for me doesnt involve a team taking well over 50 three pointers a game and not even making 20. maybe if they scored 100 a game playing a more traditional type of offense where they executed proficiently on offense would make it exciting.

Think what you want. E&H was picked to come 9th and they came in 5th. That's better than your team or mine did. I find out of the box thinking interesting. It won't work against a deep talented team. But it's working for E&H.

[hasanova]

Excellent article on Emory & Henry's Bob Johnson in Harrisonburg's Daily News-Record;

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=3047&CHID=3

not sure i would call it exciting. more like ugly. i just dont see how shooting 35% overall can be exciting. also dont see how jacking up any shot you can get is exciting either. an exciting basketball ame for me doesnt involve a team taking well over 50 three pointers a game and not even making 20. maybe if they scored 100 a game playing a more traditional type of offense where they executed proficiently on offense would make it exciting.

Scottie, I guess I saw the article from a slightly different perspective, but maybe that's partly because my age is a lot closer to Coach Johnson's than yours.   Please understand, from a basketball point of view, I am not a big fan of "the System" and I have stated that several times in previous posts.  I am, however, a big fan of reinventing yourself from time to time to make life more interesting.  Hang on to that article and read it again when you're 55 and you've been working for over 30 years.  I'm willing to bet you'll read it and say, "Way to go, Bob!"  

[algernon]

Think what you want. E&H was picked to come 9th and they came in 5th. That's better than your team or mine did. I find out of the box thinking interesting. It won't work against a deep talented team. But it's working for E&H.

I agree with you, baselinejam.  Out-of-the-box thinking is often more interesting than conventional thought.

It's worth noting that, even though they are seeded #5 for the tournament,  the Wasps actually finished in a tie for 4th.  From 9th to 4th is quite an accomplishment.  My COY second choice (after Macedo) is Johnson.

[tigerfanalso]

Reponse to the post to my attention 12:06 on 2/17/06

1) I was not posting when the team was 11-0
2) I'm not critcizing the team, simply said the program is not at the same level it once was... you can disagree if you want
3) I don't care about the New England Patriots or any other NFL team for that matter.
4) No need or desire  to "hop" off the bandwagon but thank you for your suggestion.
5) Never said the young team didn't have any accomplishments, again, only that the program is not at the same level it once was.
6) my approach is not meant to be negative, just calling it as I see it.
and of that offends you, so be it.
7) i have no expectations in October so there is no need to lower anything.. actually I'm following the f'ball team in October not really thinking about b'ball
8) there is nothing to prove wrong as an opinion is just that an opinion... NOT A STATEMENT OF FACT....
9) Never said the team was bad... so no need for you to misrepresent what was said       
10) and i know you wouldn't believe this... i'm not the only tiger supporter that feels the program is not at same level it once was and that is not a bashing of the team because I respect the players very much and I respect Coach Smith as a person and a coach and I also happen to believe that he will bring the program back over time. I have never doubted that and have never said anything but that.
11) we'll have to agree to disagree or you can take my comments/observations in the spirit in which the are rendered.   

[ODACfan1]

Think what you want. E&H was picked to come 9th and they came in 5th. That's better than your team or mine did. I find out of the box thinking interesting. It won't work against a deep talented team. But it's working for E&H.

Thanks for sticking up for Emory and Henry everyone.  I am sick of seeing all the posts that are saying that the numbers E&H players are putting up need to be adjusted.  They are playing on the same court as everyone else, and there are zero...count them zero freshmen in our league that have had the impact that Cain Landreth, Camillo Weinz, Andrew Hart, and Robert Hudson have had.  The numbers are spread out on this team, which is exactly why they are in the position they are in now.  Just for the record though, who constitutes as a deep talented team.  Is that Sydeny, maybe Macon...Just checking cause Emory did beat them.  We will find out how good this team is this weekend as it looks like we play Guilford, who we didnt beat this year...if we get by them we will probably play VWC, who we didnt beat this year. 

[ODACfan1]

Thanks for sticking up for Emory and Henry everyone.  I am sick of seeing all the posts that are saying that the numbers E&H players are putting up need to be adjusted.  They are playing on the same court as everyone else, and there are zero...count them zero freshmen in our league that have had the impact that Cain Landreth, Camillo Weinz, Andrew Hart, and Robert Hudson have had.  The numbers are spread out on this team, which is exactly why they are in the position they are in now.  Just for the record though, who constitutes as a deep talented team.  Is that Sydeny, maybe Macon...Just checking cause Emory did beat them.  We will find out how good this team is this weekend as it looks like we play Guilford, who we didnt beat this year...if we get by them we will probably play VWC, who we didnt beat this year. 


Sorry about the above post...im still new at this