MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[baselinejam]

Washington & Lee's academic standards are not as high as Williams and Amherst.  Both of the latter two teams made 2 trips to the Final Four in the last 3 years.  There are a lot of good students out there who play good basketball and are happy to go to schools like Williams, Amherst, Washington University, and Washington & Lee.

I couldn't agree more. It isn't about the endowment (or total cost) and that's why I said it really is the coach, the recruiting & consistency.

[3sdown]

VWC is going to be $29,400 or so next year.  From my experience as an admissions counselor for two years I saw it like this.  A family would have and EFC (or estimated family contribution) of about 10,000 for Johnny and the school would meet XX% of their need. 

So if the school's tuition was 30K, after the family paid what they could it would leave 20K and the school would meed the XX% of their need.  Now that XX has a lot of factors.  One is academics.  The better the student, the more of a %.  A student with 3.8 GPA would get 80-85% maybe while a student with a 2.2 would get 70-75% at the same school with the same need (just throwing numbers out there).  However, the XX% that each school meets (in the private school setting) is based on how much that school can afford to meet in general which is based on their endowment.

Therefore schools with better endowments meet a higher percentage (because they can afford to) of a students left over need than schools with small endowments.  I saw many examples where school A would offer a 3.8/1200 student 8,000 and school B would offer that same student 12,000.  School B had a better almuni backing and endowment and could afford it so they in general outbid School B (left schools names out on purpose but this happened on many occasions).

I agree that endowment isn't the top factor, but when it comes down to financial aid packages that same EFC has a huge role when a student is torn between School A and School B and mommy and daddy can't afford X amount of dollars.

I agree with this assessment.  I myself worked in Admissions for one year.  I would also say that the ethnicity/race of the student matters as well as to what percentage is fulfilled.  Schools with larger endowments are more likely to be able to meet 100% of need.  The struggle is getting Administrations at small colleges (in my experience) to understand that if you give an additional 1,500 dollars for an athlete to meet that need that this is going to net you dollars over the course of 4 years!  For example, lets say EFC is 10,000!  And cost of school is 25,000!  School initially says we will meet 85% of the need ($8,500).  That leaves $1,500.  Kids doesn't go to the school b/c you didn't meet all of the need.  Well if the school and dumbass administrators would give up the $1,500 a year for four years (Total=6,000) the school would net over the four years a total of $60,000 versus losing the student and a good athlete.  This is what makes no sense at all to me!!!  However, endowments are part of the big picture!

[algernon]

hasanova ... Thanks for the figure on Guilford.  Since the cost of college is going up so rapidly, the 2005-06 figure doesn't compare very well to the numbers I put up, so I found more recent figures on all 10 schools at http://www.petersons.com :

1) Washington & Lee - $35,860
2) Hampden-Sydney - $34,295
3) Randolph-Macon - $31,250
4) Roanoke - $30,748
5) Lynchburg - $30,345
6) Virginia Wesleyan - $29,986
7) Bridgewater - $29,250
8 ) Guilford - $28,170
9) Eastern Mennonite - $27,220
10) Emory & Henry - $26,570

[hasanova]

hasanova ... Thanks for the figure on Guilford.  Since the cost of college is going up so rapidly, the 2005-06 figure doesn't compare very well to the numbers I put up, so I found more recent figures on all 10 schools at http://www.petersons.com :

Agreed - that's why I highlighted the 2005-06 - glad you found comparable data.

[justafan02]

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I agree with this assessment.  I myself worked in Admissions for one year.  I would also say that the ethnicity/race of the student matters as well as to what percentage is fulfilled.  Schools with larger endowments are more likely to be able to meet 100% of need.  The struggle is getting Administrations at small colleges (in my experience) to understand that if you give an additional 1,500 dollars for an athlete to meet that need that this is going to net you dollars over the course of 4 years!  For example, lets say EFC is 10,000!  And cost of school is 25,000!  School initially says we will meet 85% of the need ($8,500).  That leaves $1,500.  Kids doesn't go to the school b/c you didn't meet all of the need.  Well if the school and dumbass administrators would give up the $1,500 a year for four years (Total=6,000) the school would net over the four years a total of $60,000 versus losing the student and a good athlete.  This is what makes no sense at all to me!!!  However, endowments are part of the big picture!

You hit the nail on the head.  That extra $1,500 makes or breaks kids, but colleges haven't figured it out yet. 

[algernon]

Final Top 25 Poll is out .... and no one will be surprised that Virginia Wesleyan, the 2006 National Champions, were a unanimous choice for #1.

On the way to the national championship, the Marlins defeated #39 Christopher Newport, #34 SUNY-Farmingdale, #27 Randolph-Macon (3 times), #24 William Paterson, #10 Lincoln, #3 Illinois Wesleyan, and #2 Wittenberg.

[jdubyadubya]

Big celebration Monday night at the Batten Center starting at 6 p.m. honoring the 2006 NCAA Division III National Champions. Free and open to the public.

[ncbballfan]

Macedo  --  NABC  Coach of the Year
Adair  --  NABC Player of the Year

Receiving their awards April 2nd during the Final 4 in Indy.

Congratulations to both.

[hasanova]

Macedo  --  NABC  Coach of the Year
Adair  --  NABC Player of the Year

Receiving their awards April 2nd during the Final 4 in Indy.  Congratulations to both.

Indeed - congratulations to Coach Macedo and to Brandon Adair for their national honors!  In addition, Guilford College's Ben Strong was named to the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) All-South Region team on Tuesday, earning a Second Team spot.

[algernon]

Macedo  --  NABC  Coach of the Year
Adair  --  NABC Player of the Year

Receiving their awards April 2nd during the Final 4 in Indy.

Congratulations to both.

I would bet that neither of these NABC awards has ever before gone to an ODAC coach or player.

They are huge!!  Big congratulations to both Coach Macedo and Brandon Adair!

[ncbballfan]

According to VW website, Adair is only the 4th jr. to receive the award in the last 24 years. 

Also didn't understand how Myrick from Lincoln made 3rd team NABC All-American and Amelianovich from IWU didn't make any of the 3 teams.  Outside my bias for Adair being the best undersized post players I've seen in a long time, Myrick and Amelianovich were the best 2 players I saw all year.

[mybleedinghands]

Macedo  --  NABC  Coach of the Year
Adair  --  NABC Player of the Year

Receiving their awards April 2nd during the Final 4 in Indy.

Congratulations to both.

I would bet that neither of these NABC awards has ever before gone to an ODAC coach or player.

They are huge!!  Big congratulations to both Coach Macedo and Brandon Adair!

Weird, the NABC doesn't have any Illinois Wesleyan players on their all-american teams (first, second, or third team) and Kyle Myrick only made 3rd team. Three of their first teamers, 5 of their second teamers, and 4 of their third teamers didn't even make as high as honorable mention on D3hoops. I wonder what basketball teams they watch.

[marlinfan]

Was in Macedo's office this morning....sat right next to the nat'l championship trophy...closest I've ever been to one, very cool to say the least.  Even got to touch it!!!!  Also listened to him begin the preparations for getting the rings.  Exciting times over at the alma mater right now.

Also, Macedo coached the ODAC seniors to a win over the USA-South seniors last night.  I believe the ODAC was up by about 30 at one point, ending up winning by 15 or so. 

[algernon]

Also, Macedo coached the ODAC seniors to a win over the USA-South seniors last night.  I believe the ODAC was up by about 30 at one point, ending up winning by 15 or so. 

They were ahead by a score of 88-60 at the end of three 12-minute quarters and finished with a 105-92 win.  The story's at:
http://www.usasouth.net/news/06allstargamestory.htm

[Gregory Sager]

Also didn't understand how Myrick from Lincoln made 3rd team NABC All-American and Amelianovich from IWU didn't make any of the 3 teams. Outside my bias for Adair being the best undersized post players I've seen in a long time, Myrick and Amelianovich were the best 2 players I saw all year.

Weird, the NABC doesn't have any Illinois Wesleyan players on their all-american teams (first, second, or third team) and Kyle Myrick only made 3rd team. Three of their first teamers, 5 of their second teamers, and 4 of their third teamers didn't even make as high as honorable mention on D3hoops. I wonder what basketball teams they watch.

It sounds as though you guys aren't familiar with the NABC's methodology for selecting All-American teams. The NABC voters in each of D3's eight regions select a top player, a first runner-up, and a second runner-up from their respective regions. Those 24 players make up the NABC All-American team. In other words, each of the eight regions is represented on the first, second, and third teams, which consist of eight players apiece. The South Region was represented by VWC's Brandon Adair on the first team, Centre's Reggie Magnusson on the second team, and East Texas Baptist's Cedric Isom on the third team.

As Pat has said countless times, it's a pretty silly way to construct an All-American team. There's no guarantee that each region is perfectly aligned with the other seven in terms of the amount of talent it contains. There might be five players in one region who are better than the best player in another region. The obvious discrepancy is even more glaring when you take into account the fact that each region contains a different number of teams. The East Region, for example, only has 36 teams, which is about half as many as the Northeast Region (71 teams).

The D3hoops.com All-American team isn't straitjacketed by a quota system like the NABC's. The only stipulation Pat enforces for his All-American teams is that each of the five teams has to resemble an actual team (i.e., five players made up of a center, two forwards, and two guards).